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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

None of this started yesterday, and that's what you are pretending to have no interest in. Again for the people at the back, dragging civilians into the streets is abhorrent, as was the murder of older Jews at a bus stop, as is the rape that has been happening, but it's not in a vacuum, and you just continually fail to acknowledge that fact.

So rape that happened 75 years ago doesn't count? Or does it provide the basis for how the IDF have been treating these people for decades upon decades. You nearly got there with the 75 years ago comment. That wasn't the last time it happened, and anyone with a half semi-curious brain would know that. Again, everything I've posted about Israel is widely available infomation to anyone else. It's not some hidden conspiracy.

Everything you are just now finding out about what happened yesterday has been happening against them, and this pretense that "oh, none of us know what has happened before" is just not true. You keep avoiding that point. Maybe have a look into it before you reply again to see if I've told any untruths.

Appealing to the historical abuses of Jews does not give the current ideological Zionist state a pass. If you want to have the conversation about how horrifically they have been treated through history; from the false claims of deicide and blood libel through the middle ages, to the horrors of Nazi Germany, I will have that discussion, but that has nothing to do with what the Israeli state has wrought upon the people of Palestine for the last 75 Years, Nothing other than an attempt to shut down discussion, and is pretty pathetic, actually.


You're talking about an oppressed people as though they have the power to commit genocide, and in no other context would a people fighting against an occupying force be attributed that power by observers. You only have to look at the words of those in the Israeli government to see what the intentions towards the Palestinian people are.

Just because they don't currently have the means to carry out genocide doesn't mean they can't be genocidal in ideology and carry out actions that aspire to that. And indeed if the balance of powers amongst the West and the Islamic nations was different then genocide against Israel could be a very real possibility.

Look I respect that you feel strongly about this issue and I know you've been talking about it for a long time. The historical (and present) abuses of Jews are why I think Israel's existence is so important. I'm aware that many ills have been carried out by the Israeli authorities but I cannot see this attack yesterday as anything like a legitimate response. It commits almost every war crime in the book. Normally when a side commits war crimes in a conflict they at least try and cover it up. Yesterday it was openly celebrated and boasted about that and that's why the international community are so shocked by it