[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I do get what you're saying but the actions taken and the methods used by the Palestinians who crossed the border can't be justified and I feel this flirts a little close to justification above and beyond explanation. I accept it as inevitable and I accept it as an accurate description of the explanation, but have to totally reject the torture and murder of civilians as justified, even when retaliatory.

So lets reject all the murder and torture of civilians, because if this hadn't been happening over the last few decades then yesterday wouldn't have happened.

The Israeli army have been murdering and torturing children for decades with the tacit approval of our government, and by extension, us citizens, and It's always been crickets. Until folks really get to grips with the conditions and what is actually going on there, I find it really difficult to take the ivory tower pontificating on what is or is not terror or appropriate to be little more than obfuscation.We pretend one form of decades-long attacks like the ones seen 2 days ago just isn't important, but we get (rightly) outraged, when we see civilians massacred the other way round. My position is consistent; it's the folks who play these pretend games about Israel that provide the terror justifications, not me seeing the whole situation for what it is.

I'm not patriotic in any way because it's all an accident of birth as far as I'm concerned, but I'm self aware enough to Know that if the Romans turned up tomorrow and turfed me out of my house, put me in an open air prison, murdered generations of my family, stripped away any rights I had to participate in a society, I'd be fully radicalised to undertake whatever it took to hit back against any and all of my oppressors, and I think most people would.

Can already see the 2001 bloodlust returning in this thread.