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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I'm not patriotic in any way because it's all an accident of birth as far as I'm concerned, but I'm self aware enough to Know that if the Romans turned up tomorrow and turfed me out of my house, put me in an open air prison, murdered generations of my family, stripped away any rights I had to participate in a society, I'd be fully radicalised to undertake whatever it took to hit back against any and all of my oppressors, and I think most people would.

Indeed but then you should also be self-aware enough to know that if a gang of extremists, or freedom fighters, whichever you choose to call them; a gang of men from one of the countless middle eastern countries that the UK has helped to destroy -- turned up at your house tomorrow, murdered your family and towed them off in a truck, you wouldn't be stood on your front doorstep sighing "Ahh well, we had it comin' I guess."

And the thing is I agree with you - if my family was killed because of the actions of another state, 100% I'd be off-the-rails crazy and trying to burn the world to the ground. Objective (as far as it can be) morality would be absolutely out the window. Like I said the actions can be explained, they can even be understandable, without being justified. Causing suffering to civilians because of political action simply cannot be justified.