[Jordan.]

Her behaviour is so bratty, definitely still in the "too big for their boots" teenage phase.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Never really sure that a teenager with mental health issues should be used for advertising by huge TV companies

I think the channel should have passed here and im disgusted that Hallies Mum was supportive of this

yet not surprised

[Beso]

You all take her to seriously.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by parmnion

You all take her to seriously.

Well she’s certainly not messing around … she’s acting out a plan she’s hatched out after watching all the previous BigBrother series online

Thankfully it’s a lousy plan that will soon see her out on her ***e.


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[Beso]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Well she’s certainly not messing around … she’s acting out a plan she’s hatched out after watching all the previous BigBrother series online

Thankfully it’s a lousy plan that will soon see her out on her ***e.


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And that would be a shame, cause shes kind of unique, and non generic like 40 percent of what will be left.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Do you remember which thread?

I don't remember, weirdly I can't find the article either .

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

It was already posted like a week ago , when she was 10 she made it on front page newspaper...as she and her friend swallowed some magnetic beads and ended up in hospital or something. They were both posing with the tube of beads.

Always the attention seeker


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[Kazanne]

I'm not a fan either far too brattish for my liking and sly as they come

[Strictly Jake]

She was a tiny bit more bearable in this episode. But still get rid of her and Kerry

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I agree .. it could be perhaps when she's 33 and the novelty of being a 'woman' has worn off, and she's left with a more gritty reality, and meanwhile many of her friends have children, I wonder how much of a prize the designer vagina is going to seem as a consolation.

Perhaps it really is that much of an issue for her though idk

Much as I don’t like her behaviour which can be very immature, I don’t believe that Hallie is perceiving being a woman as a novelty that will wear off. As she says, she has always been a woman trapped inside a man’s body, and I trust her on that. I think we have to respect the fact that she knows who she is at her core, and I think maybe the tantrums will naturally decrease when she has had her op and feels complete as the woman she is.

[Garfie]

Just to add, I think her behaviour is due to her personality and attitude rather than gender, and I don’t agree that Olivia is to blame for the poor choices that Hallie makes. Hallie made the choice to kick off several times about the camping task and the food provided without any influence from Olivia.

I think this was Hallie’s character before she entered the house, and that she is partly exaggerating it for the cameras. Maybe she comes from a household where people communicate by shouting. Whatever the reason, at the end of the day, at 18, you know what behaviour is appropriate and what is not, and if you are naturally impulsive - which I think she is- you have to make the effort to learn to control it if you don’t want to go through life in a constant state of conflict.

[fitz2k2]

So if she breaks the rule 3rd time. What would be her punishment? I know for fact if they won't evict her. If it was someone boring they definitely would have. If she gets 3rd punishment remove all food and beds. Make them sleep outside with cold water showers

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by fitz2k2

So if she breaks the rule 3rd time. What would be her punishment? I know for fact if they won't evict her. If it was someone boring they definitely would have. If she gets 3rd punishment remove all food and beds. Make them sleep outside with cold water showers

The punishments get weaker and weaker

[Redway]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Her age????....she's 18 not 5 Annie.

18 is pretty young.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Much as I don’t like her behaviour which can be very immature, I don’t believe that Hallie is perceiving being a woman as a novelty that will wear off. As she says, she has always been a woman trapped inside a man’s body, and I trust her on that. I think we have to respect the fact that she knows who she is at her core, and I think maybe the tantrums will naturally decrease when she has had her op and feels complete as the woman she is.

Originally Posted by Garfie

Just to add, I think her behaviour is due to her personality and attitude rather than gender, and I don’t agree that Olivia is to blame for the poor choices that Hallie makes. Hallie made the choice to kick off several times about the camping task and the food provided without any influence from Olivia.

I think this was Hallie’s character before she entered the house, and that she is partly exaggerating it for the cameras. Maybe she comes from a household where people communicate by shouting. Whatever the reason, at the end of the day, at 18, you know what behaviour is appropriate and what is not, and if you are naturally impulsive - which I think she is- you have to make the effort to learn to control it if you don’t want to go through life in a constant state of conflict.

…yeah I agree, Garfie…I think any behaviour is a part of Hallie’s character and not gender related…although, I’m not sure whether any transitioning hormone treatments might ‘enhance’ any emotional responses, I honestly don’t know…and I agree that she has to learn to consider others around her and that’s another journey she has to take…I’d like to see her interact with others more and a more positive balance that we haven’t seen yet…and especially now as she’s such a nomination target, this could be her last week in the house…

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

I hope this is not offensive but as anyone got a pic of Hallie has a boy?

Here you go: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tic-balls.html

It's 5 years ago but they were quite a feminine boy

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Here you go: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tic-balls.html

It's 5 years ago but they were quite a feminine boy

Spoilt , attention seeker


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[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Much as I don’t like her behaviour which can be very immature, I don’t believe that Hallie is perceiving being a woman as a novelty that will wear off. As she says, she has always been a woman trapped inside a man’s body, and I trust her on that. I think we have to respect the fact that she knows who she is at her core, and I think maybe the tantrums will naturally decrease when she has had her op and feels complete as the woman she is.

yes with respect, perhaps what I wrote was a little clunky, but I do feel you're painting a slighty unfair take on what I wrote none the less. I was not questioning her gender identity in any way, just noting how different life can be for an 18 year old and how it's easy to be impulsive about things that can have long reaching consequences.

I do hope for Hallie's sake that any precautions have been taken because to arrive at 30 something and be surrounded by new borns and preschools while you yourself cannot concieve is not a situation I would imagine anyone would find pleasant

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by fitz2k2

So if she breaks the rule 3rd time. What would be her punishment? I know for fact if they won't evict her. If it was someone boring they definitely would have. If she gets 3rd punishment remove all food and beds. Make them sleep outside with cold water showers

If she talks about Nominations again she should be automatically put up imo

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Garfie

Much as I don’t like her behaviour which can be very immature, I don’t believe that Hallie is perceiving being a woman as a novelty that will wear off. As she says, she has always been a woman trapped inside a man’s body, and I trust her on that. I think we have to respect the fact that she knows who she is at her core, and I think maybe the tantrums will naturally decrease when she has had her op and feels complete as the woman she is.

See I’m old fashioned and struggling with all this new stuff … so forgive me

What is the difference between Halle feeling like a female trapped in a male body and a guy who naturally behaves extremely femininely ?


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[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…yeah I agree, Garfie…I think any behaviour is a part of Hallie’s character and not gender related…although, I’m not sure whether any transitioning hormone treatments might ‘enhance’ any emotional responses, I honestly don’t know…and I agree that she has to learn to consider others around her and that’s another journey she has to take…I’d like to see her interact with others more and a more positive balance that we haven’t seen yet…and especially now as she’s such a nomination target, this could be her last week in the house…

That’s a good point, Ammi. Like you, I don’t know enough about the hormone treatments when transitioning but I think it could be safe to assume they involve lowering testosterone and increasing oestrogen which could have an impact. And it is true that, during both puberty and menopause, when hormones are in a state of flux, there is a massive impact on mood and temperament. You might have hit on something there that is affecting or exaggerating her behaviour.

[ebandit]

......................ya can be really immature ............but remain respectful

hallie just seems entitled........................

Mark L

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Zizu

See I’m old fashioned and struggling with all this new stuff … so forgive me

What is the difference between Halle feeling like a female trapped in a male body and a guy who naturally behaves extremely femininely ?


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Effeminate gay men are just that, while transwomen have a mental disorder called gender dysphoria. Comparable to body dysmorphia, or a disorder where someone thinks they're fat.

Originally Posted by Redway

18 is pretty young.

Agreed, and she spent nearly three of the "growing up years" in lock down.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

See I’m old fashioned and struggling with all this new stuff … so forgive me

What is the difference between Halle feeling like a female trapped in a male body and a guy who naturally behaves extremely femininely ?


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I’m not an expert or anything, but I would say it’s to do with the brain and the mind. I guess the brain is telling a trans person that they are female even though their body does not conform to that message. Consequently, there is a permanent consciousness that their bodies are wrong, and often a hatred or disgust of anything in themselves that is typically male or masculine. Having watched a number of documentaries about the topic, children often start expressing this belief from a very early age (and I mean about 4-5).

When a guy is merely more effeminate rather than trans, it is a just a natural behavioural trait, but inside the guy knows he is male and feels like a man. He doesn’t question his body or have any doubts about it being right for him.

This is how I understand it anyway, but I might not be totally right because, as I said, I’m not an expert. I guess the best people to explain this would be trans people themselves, so hopefully there’s someone in the chat who might be able to offer a more accurate explanation. But hope that kind of helps.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I’m not an expert or anything, but I would say it’s to do with the brain and the mind. I guess the brain is telling a trans person that they are female even though their body does not conform to that message. Consequently, there is a permanent consciousness that their bodies are wrong, and often a hatred or disgust of anything in themselves that is typically male or masculine. Having watched a number of documentaries about the topic, children often start expressing this belief from a very early age (and I mean about 4-5).

When a guy is merely more effeminate rather than trans, it is a just a natural behavioural trait, but inside the guy knows he is male and feels like a man. He doesn’t question his body or have any doubts about it being right for him.

This is how I understand it anyway, but I might not be totally right because, as I said, I’m not an expert. I guess the best people to explain this would be trans people themselves, so hopefully there’s someone in the chat who might be able to offer a more accurate explanation. But hope that kind of helps.

Thank you !


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