[Ninastar]

Yep I agree with that

[LeatherTrumpet]

I just dont get why any self-respecting adult would think "I don't care if women and children feel scared all that matters is my feelings and my wants"

who are these people?

[Niamh.]

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's mental. And people who allow this, pander to and defend these crazy individuals need to take a long hard look at themselves. It needs to stop being a political argument, it should start coming down to common sense, which is rapidly evaporating.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Exactly. The only way to keep the bad men out is to ban all men otherwise (as is the case now) women don't even have the ability to raise concerns or objections, a guy can go in there as we see here literally shaving his beard in the sink and a woman gets banned for pointing out he shouldn't be in there. It's crazy.

She got banned for trying to safeguard a child, a 12 year old who was there at the time....its actually nuts, and a bit Emperor New Clothes ..ish.....no I cant see anything wrong with a man who says he identifies as a woman shaving in a womans changing room with a child who he is not related to present...because after all he is wearing tights and a skirt so that is the end of it..NUTs

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The problem is that absolutely anyone who simply says "I identify as a woman" can enter female spaces where girls and women are in vulnerable positions/a state of undress. It is mind blowing to me that people are pretending like this loophole isn't going to be taken advantage of by predatory men. The whole reason to stop all men from entering is to protect all women from the bad ones. This is what safe guarding is and why sex segregated spaces exist in the first place in these types of places where women are particularly vulnerable and at risk.

But I personally think that if (which tbf none of us 100% knows the majority of women's feelings on this topic) but if the majority of women on a referendum, said "no I don't feel comfortable with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that should be respected by the Trans community, and most importantly by the Government.

Just like if the result turned up with the majority of women saying "yep, we're okay with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that result should also be respected too.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

No she just both looks and sounds a bit like him (and is right-leaning, though not as much as Shapiro) so it's a commonly made joke that she's Shapiro's drag alter-ego.

I agree that less savoury characters on the right have a tendency to imply that LGBT people are more likely to be paedophiles which is (obviously) nonsense. It bears acknowledging that the simple fact is, most paedophiles by number are straight men. That's just the facts.

The major issue though is that - at this point unquestionably - there are attempts made BY paedophiles to abuse/twist laws and rights designed to protect LGBT people to use as a shield for their own actions. THere are multiple examples at this point and really - just using common sense - of course people with ill intent will try to find ways to use any new rule or law to their advantage.

Taking a deeper dive there are also some issues with certain sections of the trans community and autogynephilia/fetishisation of children or child-like qualities. There just... are. The LGBT community itself knows this fine well but (for I suppose obvious reasons) are hesitant to admit it.

Oh like any other community, Paedophiles will either use or even be apart of the LGBT community, unfortunately.

And tbh I can see why people joke about her looking like Ben Shapiro, it's like looking at his twin Sister (if he has a twin Sister.)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Oh like any other community, Paedophiles will either use or even be apart of the LGBT community, unfortunately.



And tbh I can see why people joke about her looking like Ben Shapiro, it's like looking at his twin Sister (if he has a twin Sister.)

He's almost 20 years older than her so more like his daughter than twin sister

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But I personally think that if (which tbf none of us 100% knows the majority of women's feelings on this topic) but if the majority of women on a referendum, said "no I don't feel comfortable with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that should be respected by the Trans community, and most importantly by the Government.



Just like if the result turned up with the majority of women saying "yep, we're okay with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that result should also be respected too.

Not sure a safe guarding issue like this should be voted on either tbh, children can't vote in referendums

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But I personally think that if (which tbf none of us 100% knows the majority of women's feelings on this topic) but if the majority of women on a referendum, said "no I don't feel comfortable with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that should be respected by the Trans community, and most importantly by the Government.

Just like if the result turned up with the majority of women saying "yep, we're okay with Transwomen being in the women's Bathroom" then that result should also be respected too.

Women will not be given a vote on this ...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Women will not be given a vote on this ...

If there was a vote it should be asked whether you want to get rid of sex segregated bathrooms/changing rooms/rape crisis centres etc. not whether anyone who identifies as a woman can use women only spaces because that's what would happen in clear language. Our language needs to be clear and realistic

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He's almost 20 years older than her so more like his daughter than twin sister

That does make more sense tbf.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not sure a safe guarding issue like this should be voted on either tbh, children can't vote in referendums

I'd argue that women could factor the protection of children into their decision on how they'd decide to vote.

Basically do you think young girls are at risk being in a changing room with a Transwoman? Factor that into your vote, alongside your own comfort levels, and then make your decision.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'd argue that women could factor the protection of children into their decision on how they'd decide to vote.

Basically do you think young girls are at risk being in a changing room with a Transwoman? Factor that into your vote, alongside your own comfort levels, and then make your decision.

No, I think young girls are at risk by being in a changing room with men. This is why wording is important. If you allow anyone who identifies as a woman into changing rooms, you are allowing any man at all into changing rooms, there's literally no way to stop any man entering if you say some men are allowed.

[Soldier Boy]

It should be properly risk-assessed and considered amongst safeguarding, mental health and gender-based violence specialists and proper safeguarding decisions made.

The Public en-masse doesn't have a clue what they're talking about and are completely at the whims of social movements and propaganda.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

It should be properly risk-assessed and considered amongst safeguarding, mental health and gender-based violence specialists and proper safeguarding decisions made.

The Public en-masse doesn't have a clue what they're talking about and are completely at the whims of social movements and propaganda.

Exactly.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'd argue that women could factor the protection of children into their decision on how they'd decide to vote.

Basically do you think young girls are at risk being in a changing room with a Transwoman? Factor that into your vote, alongside your own comfort levels, and then make your decision.

There is no risk to kids from transwomen, the risk comes from MEN being able to enter a female only space because they just happen to say they are, that has been the nub of the argument from day one, in fairness transwomen themselves should be coming out in support of women, why they are not is mind blowing to me, I would have no issue with post op transwomen in female spaces but how you get to that point now the genie is out of the bottle with self ID I just dont know

[UserSince2005]

What pervert takes pictures of a beautiful woman as she is in the bathroom. Disgusting.

[LeatherTrumpet]

"Natalie Pershall, a man dressed as a woman was just sentenced to 6
years probation, 87 days in jail, and must register as a sex offender for taking
pictures of females in the women's bathroom of his company's office.


This is what happens when you have "inclusive" bathroom policies."



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