[Redway]

For those of us who want a more comprehensive take on the exact psychology of introversion and extroversion beyond certain socialising preferences, let’s plug in and do it here. Theories and resources (some worse than others) abound but I’m going to reference a fair bit of Michael Pierce for his philosophical insight. He’s not perfect and he makes certain less-preferred cognitive functions sound way weaker than they actually are (forgetting that a healthy person of whatever type is fundamentally a normal person) but for the richness of his type-descriptions that’s something that’s worth overlooking.

16personalities.com gets flack for being just another big-5 test and it is but for the sake of the fact that it has easy access to a testing quiz, let’s just ball it out for now. https://www.16personalities.com/free-personality-test

[Redway]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...oWnMruhuau_QER

And here we have it from Michael Pierce. All the 16 types are in there.

I’m … gonna drop this additional video about ENFPs. A type that’s very misunderstood and badly reflected in the memes. https://youtu.be/l_g41Dsfnak?si=HYvgW26876w1MJ7W

If you need more contemporary references to help work out your type, Cain Dingle is your standard garden-variety ISTP, Jack Rimmer (Waterloo Road) an ESTP and Paddy Bear (and the stereotypical nurse) is ISFJ. Start with that.

[Niamh.]

INFP

[Redway]

Nicer way of describing ESTJs: executive. They can be nice people when they’re healthy but as a set type as a whole they’re known for being quite toxic. It’s not always but it’s not exactly a rare thing for them to be seen as a bit inherently unlikeable or annoy people with how much they gossip on people. And someone who takes your personal dignity out of your hands re. stuff you probably don’t even want them to know in the first place and Chinese-whispers it (maybe with some by-the-book logical justification, maybe not) is gonna piss you off sooner or later. Not all ESTJs are like that but the ones who are the stereotypical Reece-from-Recess snitches and gossipers are just another level of poison. People get together and talk and I get that; I really do. But there’s a way to do it without putting someone’s business or what you think is their business on blast and try and justify it by a certain type of ratty logic that forms this integral part of your personality, which means it just keeps happening and people who find them charming keep enabling them. If they’re not careful they’re the sort of people who are on an express-way to eternal condemnation by Dr Ramani (anti-narcissism buff).

[Livia]

Aren't we all a little bit of all the above?

[Redway]

Let’s get drinking, folks. https://thoughtcatalog.com/heidi-pri...sonality-type/

Originally Posted by Livia

Aren't we all a little bit of all the above?

Everyone’s a little mixed. Absolutely. I only talk in absolutes when I do for the sake of simplicity.

Some people are dead-set that MBTI-type doesn’t change and you carry the type you were born with no matter how much you change or evolve beyond that but yeah. There are definitely shades and even if the case was definitively proven in personality-psychology bla-bla-bla, it would still only be one part of your personality. People are fundamentally individuals and the complexity of that goes way beyond 16 or 160 boxes.

Everyone’s more than capable of deciding for themselves who’s likeable or unlikeable but there’s too much depth of diversity in human personality for me to write anyone off as 100% one thing or the other or for me to talk out of place about some bugger thinking I know them when I actually don’t or maybe I do know them a little bit but can only go off intuition (which doesn’t always fail me, it has to be said) or little snippets I’ve heard from others. Everyone’s their own person and I respect that by keeping up those unspoken boundaries and letting people stride up as they are, not who I assume them to be. I’m not the one to talk out-of-turn about things or people I don’t know well. I’ll just say what I think but make it clear that my observations and hunches only go so far. Intuition and assumption are two very different things but even at that I just feel like it’s better to have something tangible to go off when it comes to making broad strokes about people beyond trying to align them into a certain box beyond the scope of a certain four-lettered acronym. Especially people who are notoriously quiet and reserved, because still waters run deep. You’re not always going to know what lurks behind the cool demeanour unless you’re one of the people who know them enough to consider them a friend.

Personal taste or distaste is neither here nor there when it comes to deciding who’s inherently good or bad, and at the end of the day none of us are the Yaweh what created ’em. I don’t think it’s on us to ascribe value to anyone based on whether they’re our personal cup of tea or not. Some people just don’t click or vibe and that’s fine. But everyone out there is compatible with someone, as well as incompatible. For everyone who complains when their tea is anything other than slightly unflavoured and piping hot there are three who appreciate well-brewed, moderately hot Earl Grey that you can get into the minute it’s given to you instead of waiting so long to let it cool down. But why pretend or make passive-aggressive underhand comments when you’re given the tea you will not like? You know?

[Braden]

I used to always get ISFP, but now seem to be INFJ

[Kate!]

INFP with a bit of ESTJ thrown in. I'm an organiser, I can come across as bossy yet well intentioned.

[Redway]

I’m a definite INFJ. But one of the shadows of INFJ is ENFP and I’ve been in and out of that shadow-vortex for most of my life.

[LeatherTrumpet]

people go to uni for this?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Kate!

INFP with a bit of ESTJ thrown in. I'm an organiser, I can come across as bossy yet well intentioned.

Quadras (the 4 groups which share the same cognitive functions, just in different orders):

xNFPs and xSTJs
xNFJs and xSTPs
xNTPs and xSFJs
xSFPs and xNTJs

So it adds up.

[thesheriff443]

I couldn’t give a fcuk

Thinking too much is just as bad as not thinking.

We will all be dead soon enough

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh, I probably have a mix of a few of those personality traits on the poll.

I don't really feel like I'm purely in one camp over the other.

[Ninastar]

I am INFJ

[Mystic Mock]

I got Logician.

Logicians are an innovative inventors with an unquenchable thirst for knowledge.

73% Introverted 27% Extroverted

Introverted individuals tend to prefer fewer, yet deep and meaningful social interactions, and often feel drawn to calmer environments.

65% Intuitive 35% Observant

Intuitive individuals are very imaginative, open-minded, and curious. They value originality and focus on hidden meanings and distant possibilities.

71% Thinking 29% Feeling

Thinking individuals focus on objectivity and rationality, often dismissing emotions in favour of logic. They tend to see effectiveness as more important than social harmony.

69% Prospecting 31% Judging

Prospecting individuals are very good at improvising and adapting to opportunities. They tend to be flexible nonconformists who value novelty above stability.

72% Turbulent 28% Assertive

Turbulent individuals are self-conscious and sensitive to stress. They feel a sense of urgency in their emotions and tend to be success-driven, perfectionistic, and eager to improve.

Logician Personality:

INTP-A/INTP-T:

People with the INTP personality type (Logicians) pride themselves on their unique perspective and vigorous intellect. They can't help but puzzle over the mysteries of the universe - which may explain why some of the most influential Philosophers and Scientists of all time have been INTP's. People with this personality type tend to prefer solitude, as they can easily become immersed in their thoughts when left to their own devices. They are also incredibly creative and inventive, and they are not afraid to express their novel ways of thinking or to stand out from the crowd.

INTP personalities tend to lose themselves in thought - which isn't necessarily a bad thing. People with this personality type hardly ever stop thinking. From the moment they wake up, their mind buzzes with ideas, questions, and insights. At times, they may even find themselves conducting full-fledged debates in their own heads. And it's not uncommon for them to drift off during conversations. Their mind simply executes a detour to uncharted territories of thought where new ideas are constantly being born.

Imaginative and curious, people with the INTP Personality type can find endless fascination in the workings of their own mind.

From the outside, INTP's may seem to live in a never ending daydream. They have a reputation for being pensive, detached, and a bit reserved. That is, until they actively try to direct all of their mental energy on the moment or the person at hand. But regardless of which mode they're in, INTP's are Introverts and tend to get tired out by extensive socializing. After a long day, they crave time alone to consult their own thoughts.

INTP's cherish their independence and often find themselves most productive during the late evening hours when distractions are kept to a minimum. Even so, it would be a mistake to think that these personalities are unfriendly or uptight. When they connect with someone who can match their mental energy, INTP's absolutely light up, leaping from one thought to another. Few things energize them like the opportunity to swap ideas or enjoy a lively debate with another curious, inquiring soul.

People with the INTP personality type love to analyze patterns. Without necessarily knowing how they do it, they often have a Sherlock Holmes-like knack for spotting discrepancies and irregularities. In other words, it might be a bad idea to lie to someone with this personality type.

Ironically, they shouldn't always be held at their word. INTP's rarely mean to be dishonest, but with their active mind, they sometimes overflow with ideas and theories that they haven't thought through all the way. These personalities may change their mind on anything from their weekend plans to a fundamental moral principal without ever realizing that they'd appeared to have made up their mind in the first place. In addition, they are often happy to play devil's advocate in order to keep an interesting discussion humming along.

For people with the INTP Personality type, the best conversations are like brainstorming sessions, with plenty of room for unconventional thoughts and off-the-wall what-ifs.

INTP's could spend all day musing about ideas and possibilities - and they often do. That said, the practical, everyday work of turning those ideas into reality doesn't always hold their interest. Fortunately, when it comes to dissecting a tricky, multilayered problem and coming up with a creative solution, few personality types can match INTP's creative genius and potential.

People with this personality type want to understand everything in the universe, but one area in particular tends to mystify them: Human nature. As their name suggests, INTP's (a.k.a Logicians) feel most at home in the realm of logic and rationality. As a result, they can find themselves baffled by the illogical, irrational ways that feelings and emotions influence people's behaviour - including their own.

This doesn't mean that INTP's are unfeeling. These personalities generally want to offer emotional support to their friends and loved ones, but they don't necessarily know how. And because they can't decide on the best, most efficient way to offer support, they may hold off on doing or saying anything at all.

This "analysis paralysis" can affect multiple areas of INTP's lives. People with this personality type can overthink even the smallest of decisions. This sometimes makes them feel ineffective and stuck, so exhausted by the endless parade of thoughts in their mind that they struggle to get things done.

The good news is that they don't have to stay stuck for long. Their unique strengths include everything that they need to pull themselves out of the ruts that they occasionally fall into. By leveraging their creativity and their open-mindedness, people with the INTP personality type can reach their full potential - both as thinkers and as happy, well-rounded people.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I couldn’t give a fcuk

Thinking too much is just as bad as not thinking.

We will all be dead soon enough

Okay.

[Ninastar]

I took the test again and I actually got ENTP I do be debating a lot

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I got Logician.

Logicians are an innovative inventors with an unquenchable thirst for knowledge.

73% Introverted 27% Extroverted

Introverted individuals tend to prefer fewer, yet deep and meaningful social interactions, and often feel drawn to calmer environments.

65% Intuitive 35% Observant

Intuitive individuals are very imaginative, open-minded, and curious. They value originality and focus on hidden meanings and distant possibilities.

71% Thinking 29% Feeling

Thinking individuals focus on objectivity and rationality, often dismissing emotions in favour of logic. They tend to see effectiveness as more important than social harmony.

69% Prospecting 31% Judging

Prospecting individuals are very good at improvising and adapting to opportunities. They tend to be flexible nonconformists who value novelty above stability.

72% Turbulent 28% Assertive

Turbulent individuals are self-conscious and sensitive to stress. They feel a sense of urgency in their emotions and tend to be success-driven, perfectionistic, and eager to improve.

Logician Personality:

INTP-A/INTP-T:

People with the INTP personality type (Logicians) pride themselves on their unique perspective and vigorous intellect. They can't help but puzzle over the mysteries of the universe - which may explain why some of the most influential Philosophers and Scientists of all time have been INTP's. People with this personality type tend to prefer solitude, as they can easily become immersed in their thoughts when left to their own devices. They are also incredibly creative and inventive, and they are not afraid to express their novel ways of thinking or to stand out from the crowd.

INTP personalities tend to lose themselves in thought - which isn't necessarily a bad thing. People with this personality type hardly ever stop thinking. From the moment they wake up, their mind buzzes with ideas, questions, and insights. At times, they may even find themselves conducting full-fledged debates in their own heads. And it's not uncommon for them to drift off during conversations. Their mind simply executes a detour to uncharted territories of thought where new ideas are constantly being born.

Imaginative and curious, people with the INTP Personality type can find endless fascination in the workings of their own mind.

From the outside, INTP's may seem to live in a never ending daydream. They have a reputation for being pensive, detached, and a bit reserved. That is, until they actively try to direct all of their mental energy on the moment or the person at hand. But regardless of which mode they're in, INTP's are Introverts and tend to get tired out by extensive socializing. After a long day, they crave time alone to consult their own thoughts.

INTP's cherish their independence and often find themselves most productive during the late evening hours when distractions are kept to a minimum. Even so, it would be a mistake to think that these personalities are unfriendly or uptight. When they connect with someone who can match their mental energy, INTP's absolutely light up, leaping from one thought to another. Few things energize them like the opportunity to swap ideas or enjoy a lively debate with another curious, inquiring soul.

People with the INTP personality type love to analyze patterns. Without necessarily knowing how they do it, they often have a Sherlock Holmes-like knack for spotting discrepancies and irregularities. In other words, it might be a bad idea to lie to someone with this personality type.

Ironically, they shouldn't always be held at their word. INTP's rarely mean to be dishonest, but with their active mind, they sometimes overflow with ideas and theories that they haven't thought through all the way. These personalities may change their mind on anything from their weekend plans to a fundamental moral principal without ever realizing that they'd appeared to have made up their mind in the first place. In addition, they are often happy to play devil's advocate in order to keep an interesting discussion humming along.

For people with the INTP Personality type, the best conversations are like brainstorming sessions, with plenty of room for unconventional thoughts and off-the-wall what-ifs.

INTP's could spend all day musing about ideas and possibilities - and they often do. That said, the practical, everyday work of turning those ideas into reality doesn't always hold their interest. Fortunately, when it comes to dissecting a tricky, multilayered problem and coming up with a creative solution, few personality types can match INTP's creative genius and potential.

People with this personality type want to understand everything in the universe, but one area in particular tends to mystify them: Human nature. As their name suggests, INTP's (a.k.a Logicians) feel most at home in the realm of logic and rationality. As a result, they can find themselves baffled by the illogical, irrational ways that feelings and emotions influence people's behaviour - including their own.

This doesn't mean that INTP's are unfeeling. These personalities generally want to offer emotional support to their friends and loved ones, but they don't necessarily know how. And because they can't decide on the best, most efficient way to offer support, they may hold off on doing or saying anything at all.

This "analysis paralysis" can affect multiple areas of INTP's lives. People with this personality type can overthink even the smallest of decisions. This sometimes makes them feel ineffective and stuck, so exhausted by the endless parade of thoughts in their mind that they struggle to get things done.

The good news is that they don't have to stay stuck for long. Their unique strengths include everything that they need to pull themselves out of the ruts that they occasionally fall into. By leveraging their creativity and their open-mindedness, people with the INTP personality type can reach their full potential - both as thinkers and as happy, well-rounded people.

Nothing wrong with being a perpetual thinker, my man. Get dem cerebral juices flowing, whether it’s about music or Birmingham City. It doesn’t necessarily have to be super-intellectual at all.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Nothing wrong with being a perpetual thinker, my man. Get dem cerebral juices flowing, whether it’s about music or Birmingham City. It doesn’t necessarily have to be super-intellectual at all.

Too true, I suppose.

I wouldn't have had myself down as a thinker personally, but maybe I'm misunderstanding myself.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Too true, I suppose.

I wouldn't have had myself down as a thinker personally, but maybe I'm misunderstanding myself.

The path to fully understanding yourself and all your quirks is lifelong, Mock. Other people might not understand exactly where you’re coming from all the time but the beauty of being your own person (which everyone besides Siamese twins is) is that no-one knows you better than ... you know yourself. Heck, each Siamese twin is still their own person.

Family and friends might know you well but they haven’t actually walked a single minute in your shoes, let-alone a lifetime of however many years/decades. What they don’t know is what it fully feels like to be you every waking second of every day. They don’t know what you might just take to the grave or every thought you have and sometimes you yourself might not be fully aware of the complexity of your thoughts until you stop for a minute and try and break them down.

You can seem so different at some point in your life to people who only knew a few sides of one stage of you but people evolve more often than they actually become completely different people. That sorta characteristic thinking-like side to you might evolve more with time but it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t. It’s not a bad thing at all either way. So long as you keep getting to know yourself and sit with it.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

The path to fully understanding yourself and all your quirks is lifelong, Mock. Other people might not understand exactly where you’re coming from all the time but the beauty of being your own person (which everyone besides Siamese twins is) is that no-one knows you better than ... you know yourself. Heck, each Siamese twin is still their own person.

Family and friends might know you well but they haven’t actually walked a single minute in your shoes, let-alone a lifetime of however many years/decades. What they don’t know is what it fully feels like to be you every waking second of every day. They don’t know what you might just take to the grave or every thought you have and sometimes you yourself might not be fully aware of the complexity of your thoughts until you stop for a minute and try and break them down.

You can seem so different at some point in your life to people who only knew a few sides of one stage of you but people evolve more often than they actually become completely different people. That sorta characteristic thinking-like side to you might evolve more with time but it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t. It’s not a bad thing at all either way. So long as you keep getting to know yourself and sit with it.

Thanks Redway, I think that I understand what you're saying, and I do agree with you tbh.