[arista]

[Not the gift he wanted! Teenager
who left his 18th birthday celebrations
at the bingo to join far-right hate
mob in Hartlepool is jailed for 20 months]



[Police officers on the streets of Hartlepool
following a violent protest last Wednesday]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ol-jailed.html

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by arista

[Not the gift he wanted! Teenager
who left his 18th birthday celebrations
at the bingo to join far-right hate
mob in Hartlepool is jailed for 20 months]



[Police officers on the streets of Hartlepool
following a violent protest last Wednesday]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ol-jailed.html

The bingo goers are hard ass

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The bingo goers are hard ass

Well it is Hartlepool.
😂😂😂😂😂😂

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Well it is Hartlepool.
😂😂😂😂😂😂

…I think that was where the poor monkey was hung back in the day, if I recall…

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I think that was where the poor monkey was hung back in the day, if I recall…

Aye. My youngest sister was a monkey hanger.
She was born in Hartlepool.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I think that was where the poor monkey was hung back in the day, if I recall…

Originally Posted by smudgie

Aye. My youngest sister was a monkey hanger.
She was born in Hartlepool.

sorry what

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

sorry what

…word on the street is that it was fake news, though…but it’s one of those ‘myths’ that’s stuck in my head…

https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryU...lepool-Monkey/

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Aye. My youngest sister was a monkey hanger.
She was born in Hartlepool.

…it’s one of those random things that sticks because my dad…(…being Irish so not really having huge English history knowledge etc…)…would say, that’s where they hung the poor monkey…any time Hartlepool was mentioned…and I did as a child have grim upsetting visions of a poor hanging monkey in my head…

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

[Not the gift he wanted! Teenager
who left his 18th birthday celebrations
at the bingo to join far-right hate
mob in Hartlepool is jailed for 20 months]



[Police officers on the streets of Hartlepool
following a violent protest last Wednesday]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ol-jailed.html

I normally wouldn't take much pleasure in seeing custodial sentences issued.
However I'm glad with the sentences issued to these rioters.

For me 20 months is too lenient for this crime.

It's bonkers people are in prison for fraud or other non violent criminal wrongdoing for longer .
Bonkers.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I normally wouldn't take much pleasure in seeing custodial sentences issued.
However I'm glad with the sentences issued to these rioters.

For me 20 months is too lenient for this crime.

It's bonkers people are in prison for fraud or other non violent criminal wrongdoing for longer .
Bonkers.

Yes it really is.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I normally wouldn't take much pleasure in seeing custodial sentences issued.
However I'm glad with the sentences issued to these rioters.

For me 20 months is too lenient for this crime.

It's bonkers people are in prison for fraud or other non violent criminal wrongdoing for longer .
Bonkers.

To be fair Joey I actually slightly disagree that 20 months in this case is too much unless he seriously hurt someone, especially if it was a first offense. I know there are often TiBB disagreements about this but in my mind 18 is still very much a kid and susceptible to being influenced and caught up in something like this, if it was a "first time" I think the shock of getting any prison time at all is enough.

I'd feel differently if it was a young person with a long juvenile record for violence / antisocial behaviour, and I also feel differently when it's full-grown men who have absolutely no excuse for throwing their beer bellies around town smashing the place up, but no I wouldn't see the life of every teenager caught up in the riots destroyed by long prison sentences. Ultimately we do need to be careful about disproportionate responses.

In terms of who should or shouldn't be in actual prison I tend to agree that there should be a higher threshold for non-violent crime resulting in actual prison time vs other more creative sentences. I'm very much of the opinion that actual prison sentences should be about protecting the public from someone who is a risk, rather than a punishment. It's also, for example, why I think that paedophiles who have actively harmed children, and murderers who have killed "in cold blood" should literally never be allowed back into society.

[Ammi]

…I’m not really sure what my thoughts are in the length of prison sentences…the riots are obviously an ongoing thing that are potentially impacting public safety …as well as destroying property, where the financial impact and cost will be vast …and because the riots are a ‘situation/crisis still in progress’…as opposed to a one time crime, for instance…?…the longer sentences are obviously implemented as deterrents…but that’s right here and now and it’s also a government who has said that prison time served will reduce…so a 20 month sentence in reality might become a 3 month served sentence for instance…we can’t really say yet, I guess…I do think that in situations and offences of rioting, that obviously helping to rebuild should be a part also, as opposed to long or longer prison served time…helping to put those livelihoods back together that someone has so contributed to their loss….

[Ammi]

…(..I think…)..in a ‘calmer situation’ in the country, the prison sentencing would be with more consideration and factoring many things of the offender’s life…that’s how it often appears to be…but in volatile and such potentially hostile emotions still ongoing…?…the sentencing is trying to deter the ongoing escalations so I can understand why, also…

…(…but I don’t think…)…the time served will be anything close to…

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’m not really sure what my thoughts are in the length of prison sentences…the riots are obviously an ongoing thing that are potentially impacting public safety …as well as destroying property, where the financial impact and cost will be vast …and because the riots are a ‘situation/crisis still in progress’…as opposed to a one time crime, for instance…?…the longer sentences are obviously implemented as deterrents…but that’s right here and now and it’s also a government who has said that prison time served will reduce…so a 20 month sentence in reality might become a 3 month served sentence for instance…we can’t really say yet, I guess…I do think that in situations and offences of rioting, that obviously helping to rebuild should be a part also, as opposed to long or longer prison served time…helping to put those livelihoods back together that someone has so contributed to their loss….

It certainly won't be 20 months he serves.
Although I would have normally agreed with SB on this one as to sentencing and wish I could have.

However for me some crimes should mean the sentence given.
These rioters chose to go AND stay on them, even when it got extremely violent.
Plus against the Police too.
With uncertain outcomes.
So for me these criminals warrant the stiffest possible sentences.
20 months for me, likely at least halved.
Won't be even a year in prison.

Then who knows with this release after 40% served would mean out in 8 months.
For the damage, the fear, the danger people felt they were in.
Assaulting and disrespecting the Police trying to maintain any law and order.

To be sent to prison but much more than likely be home by Easter next year in around 8 months.
Sorry, doesn't sound much of a punishment to me.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by arista

[Not the gift he wanted! Teenager
who left his 18th birthday celebrations
at the bingo to join far-right hate
mob in Hartlepool is jailed for 20 months]



[Police officers on the streets of Hartlepool
following a violent protest last Wednesday]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ol-jailed.html

Pink nazis.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Was out in the Harlesden/Willesden Junction are last night and everything looked fine.