[bots]

breaking bad is a bit like pulp fiction in that it turns traditional feelings on their heads. Dexter does it too

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bots

breaking bad is a bit like pulp fiction in that it turns traditional feelings on their heads. Dexter does it too

what do you mean?

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That you root for the bad guys? I definitely wasn't rooting for Walt Dexter yeah although I did feel like he had to die or be arrested by the end because he wasn't sticking to his code anymore

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

what do you mean?

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That you root for the bad guys? I definitely wasn't rooting for Walt Dexter yeah although I did feel like he had to die or be arrested by the end because he wasn't sticking to his code anymore

I was rooting for Walt at various points where i normally wouldn't

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bots

I was rooting for Walt at various points where i normally wouldn't

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I started disliking Walt pretty early on, Jesse did some bad things but it felt like he felt bad about stuff and was forced into doing the most bad things by Walt who always just felt like the main reason he was doing what he was doing was out of pure selfishness and because he liked the power it gave him, he liked the feeling being feared gave him where as Jesse always felt like he did things to protect other people or because he was just manipulated into doing things or was trapped

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

I was rooting for Walt at various points where i normally wouldn't

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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I started disliking Walt pretty early on, Jesse did some bad things but it felt like he felt bad about stuff and was forced into doing the most bad things by Walt who always just felt like the main reason he was doing what he was doing was out of pure selfishness and because he liked the power it gave him, he liked the feeling being feared gave him where as Jesse always felt like he did things to protect other people or because he was just manipulated into doing things or was trapped

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…like Niamh, I don’t think that I was rooting for Walt from quite early on….hmmmm, I guess that his character wasn’t really so balanced in the beginning, it didn’t show him to be flawed like Jesse for instance…?…so you know that there is nowhere to take his character other than to become more and more flawed and the storyline did that to the point of us losing Walt completely as someone to root for…whereas with Jesse, his world was already flawed/as he was as a character…but rather than him descend more and more, the storyline often saw him compassion/empathy etc because so much room had been left for positive aspects of him to develop…?…so we saw him become less and less flawed as we rooted for him but I just felt less and less for Walt …

[bots]

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i cheered when he took out Gus, i cheered when he used the automatic gun on the gang clubhouse

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bots

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i cheered when he took out Gus, i cheered when he used the automatic gun on the gang clubhouse

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…yeah I did cheer at points at those epic moments, especially the death of Gus which was almost comic…I cheered but I didn’t root, though…….…

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bots

breaking bad is a bit like pulp fiction in that it turns traditional feelings on their heads. Dexter does it too

Fortunately I love both Pulp Fiction and Dexter.

[Ammi]

…I kept seeing the BBC series Nightsleeper on my newsfeed for the last few days…so I started to watch that yesterday…really couldn’t get into it at all, not my thing I don’t think…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bots

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i cheered when he took out Gus, i cheered when he used the automatic gun on the gang clubhouse

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Only because Jesse was going to be saved though But I mean is it really rooting for him when he's just taking out other bad guys? I certainly wasn't rooting for him when he was responsible for Jesses g/f dying or when he poisoned his other g/f's son

Oh also, I never understood as well why

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Skylar always got so much hate for just reacting like most people would to finding out her husband is a criminal and not who she thought he was

[bots]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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Only because Jesse was going to be saved though But I mean is it really rooting for him when he's just taking out other bad guys? I certainly wasn't rooting for him when he was responsible for Jesses g/f dying or when he poisoned his other g/f's son

Oh also, I never understood as well why

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Skylar always got so much hate for just reacting like most people would to finding out her husband is a criminal and not who she thought he was

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I was definitely rooting for him when he turned up at Skylars office looking for Ted

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bots

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I was definitely rooting for him when he turned up at Skylars office looking for Ted

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Well Ted was another rat bag so.....

[Ammi]

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…I think the thing about it is for me that it wasn’t so much rooting for Walt but rooting against others who were equally lost in that world of power and killing and evil etc…I mean, Gus would have been a ‘good guy’ at one time in the same way that Walt was…but they all became lost in that power in a way that Jesse didn’t seem to…so seeing the end to Gus and his harming anyone ever again wasn’t rooting for Walt …it would have been the same feelings with whoever brought that end about…

[Niamh.]

Exactly ^^

[Ammi]

…it’s funny because…

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…Jesse didn’t come from feeling the love and support of a family circle like Walt did…and maybe that was a difference because he came to realise the value of other things beyond money and power…he strived for ‘family’, didn’t he….whereas Walt was surrounded by all of that so those things he didn’t have became all important…the money and the power…it’s that ‘grass is greener’ thing…?…reaching for what you haven’t got ….

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…it’s funny because…

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…Jesse didn’t come from feeling the love and support of a family circle like Walt did…and maybe that was a difference because he came to realise the value of other things beyond money and power…he strived for ‘family’, didn’t he….whereas Walt was surrounded by all of that so those things he didn’t have became all important…the money and the power…it’s that ‘grass is greener’ thing…?…reaching for what you haven’t got ….

I think

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maybe it could also be because he felt betrayed by his former friends giving up the rights to that successful company they ran and felt like he lost out on the notoriety and money they got and this was his way at a second chance of getting what they had "stolen" from him in his mind, he was definitely very bitter about that

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think

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maybe it could also be because he felt betrayed by his former friends giving up the rights to that successful company they ran and felt like he lost out on the notoriety and money they got and this was his way at a second chance of getting what they had "stolen" from him in his mind, he was definitely very bitter about that

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…yeah that’s true…’he could have had and should have had’…and that adds another layer to it meaning so much to him…sadly it had a price and the price involved everything he loved but it was a process, wasn’t it…I’m thinking that if he knew what would be lost from the beginning, he would have turned away from it all…?…but descent is a gradual thing and often people are lost before they even realise that direction is taking place…and the interesting thing was that while Walt already had his riches in his loved ones ….thats what Jesse was striving for, really…and that’s why he didn’t lose himself because he kept people and the value of people so closely in his heart and his wants ….

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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…yeah that’s true…’he could have had and should have had’…and that adds another layer to it meaning so much to him…sadly it had a price and the price involved everything he loved but it was a process, wasn’t it…I’m thinking that if he knew what would be lost from the beginning, he would have turned away from it all…?…but descent is a gradual thing and often people are lost before they even realise that direction is taking place…and the interesting thing was that while Walt already had his riches in his loved ones ….thats what Jesse was striving for, really…and that’s why he didn’t lose himself because he kept people and the value of people so closely in his heart and his wants ….

and

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We said Walts character wasn't flawed at the beginning but actually I think his flaws were always there and what led him down a path he never needed to go down. This bring me back to the hate Skylar always got for not appreciating how Walt was "providing" for them etc. He didn't have to do what he did, his ex business partners/friends offered to give him a job and when he refused they even offered to cover the costs of his treatment but he was too proud and bitter to accept their help and instead decided to make and sell drugs

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

and

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We said Walts character wasn't flawed at the beginning but actually I think his flaws were always there and what led him down a path he never needed to go down. This bring me back to the hate Skylar always got for not appreciating how Walt was "providing" for them etc. He didn't have to do what he did, his ex business partners/friends offered to give him a job and when he refused they even offered to cover the costs of his treatment but he was too proud and bitter to accept their help and instead decided to make and sell drugs

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…yeah, he definitely chose to go that way when he didn’t have to…and you’re right, maybe it was connected to his partner and what he felt belonged to him but was taken from him…and feeling helpless in that situation…?…so power became an all important thing as well…there is no doubt that the characters are so very layered and that’s such a part of the excellence of the series…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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…yeah, he definitely chose to go that way when he didn’t have to…and you’re right, maybe it was connected to his partner and what he felt belonged to him but was taken from him…and feeling helpless in that situation…?…so power became an all important thing as well…there is no doubt that the characters are so very layered and that’s such a part of the excellence of the series…

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Yeah, there was a lot of absolutely amazing and complex characters, fantastically written imo. Mike is another one who I loved and although was a technically a bad guy, had a good heart like Jesse. I think the thing for me that separates Mike and Jess from Walt was really that Mike and Jesse seemed to do bad things for other people(Mike for his grand daughter and daughter in law) Jesse for multiple people over the series) where as Walt's reasons always came across as self serving and manipulative

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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Yeah, there was a lot of absolutely amazing and complex characters, fantastically written imo. Mike is another one who I loved and although was a technically a bad guy, had a good heart like Jesse. I think the thing for me that separates Mike and Jess from Walt was really that Mike and Jesse seemed to do bad things for other people(Mike for his grand daughter and daughter in law) Jesse for multiple people over the series) where as Walt's reasons always came across as self serving and manipulative

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…oh, Mike for me was one who fitted perfectly into what bots said earlier in the thread…’the bad guy’ that I most definitely was rooting for …he was a character I loved……

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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…oh, Mike for me was one who fitted perfectly into what bots said earlier in the thread…’the bad guy’ that I most definitely was rooting for …he was a character I loved……

Yeah same here

[bots]

there arent many series that spark discussion the way BB does, and the funny thing, and i think its why the show is so successful, the supporting characters are all well fleshed out and complex in their own right

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bots

there arent many series that spark discussion the way BB does, and the funny thing, and i think its why the show is so successful, the supporting characters are all well fleshed out and complex in their own right

Yeah 100% it was such a well written and well thought out show. We haven't even mentioned Hank and Marie either, brilliant characters too

[Swan]

From Season 3 starts on Sunday (in the US anyway, no known UK release date yet which is a massive shame) really looking forward to this. Underrated, creepy little series this. Highly recommend