[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…(if)..some of the housemates are correct in their assessment of him constantly being self aware of doing and saying ‘the right thing’ and what he feels is the right thing to do and say etc…?…the I don’t think that he would enjoy HoH anyway because he’ll drive himself crazy in second guessing every decision he makes and his whole time in the room…

I think it's likely true, but calling him fake is one notch below gameplayer. It's more like he's simply paranoid... the absolutely worst thing he did was take Ali's bait (that's what I think of her little "assessment") when she put him on the defense to defend himself against what are perceptions... Can you imagine? "Everyone here thinks you're trying to manipulate them by being nice"... so if he tries to defend himself or act even nicer to them, he's manipulating them anyway. Nice.

She's been doing that to multiple HMs now. Daze tonight on livefeed was beating Nathan upside the head with the "But I feel" line of argumentation that is equally as manipulative, except imo she wasn't articulate at all. But Ali comes in to tell her how incredibly smart and articulate she was and more or less confesses she's been trying to instruct the entire house as to how to speak to her...

Ali can't claim to be neutral when she's clearly sticking up for the same group of people (clearly her buddies) and going out of her way to defend them against attacks against their own personality flaws, but then hanging others out to dry for the public... I think it's fine she tells Khaled to his face she thinks about he's playing a game and doesn't like certain traits he's displayed. That's fine, but don't make it out to be like "Well other people said this"... that's manipulative.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah he was saying it in a pretty light hearted way between two mates, he wasn't exactly twisting his arm to make him say it. He also didn't really push it much after that and respected Izaaz's view imo

That's how I would've interpreted it myself sat in that same scenario. But I can understand where they left plenty of room for that to be interpreted another way, such as strong arming him to pick a side. And they unintentionally gave Izaaz a free pass to play that card to his own advantage, hence him going to "inform" Ali, ie to get her involved in his place. I think when Khaled says he doesn't understand how the game is played, he's 100% not lying there That was not a good call especially as he said himself he knew Izaaz was warmer with the other group... but I still think a lot of what's going on with Khaled could just as easily be anxiety, though, he's obviously trying to play a game too...

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

There is a difference in having an opinion on someone and trying to turn the house against someone
Tonight we saw Ali do that

Agreed, but she's clever enough with words that she can walk away from that accusation more easily than the others. It is what it is. That's why she's been selected and not another person.