[Ammi]

…and tbf, if it was said in a light hearted way between two mates then that’s how it would have been responded to, surely…one mate knows when another mate is being lighthearted…?…but that isn’t how it was responded to…Izaaz didn’t seem comfortable at all…

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…(if)..some of the housemates are correct in their assessment of him constantly being self aware of doing and saying ‘the right thing’ and what he feels is the right thing to do and say etc…?…the I don’t think that he would enjoy HoH anyway because he’ll drive himself crazy in second guessing every decision he makes and his whole time in the room…

That's what I mean. He's going to be overthinking everything now. It seems to be having wider repercussions watching L&L.

[Beso]

Izaaz is the one that is guarded, not Khaled.

[GlitterUK]

Ali is showing her true colours. She has gone from hero to zero for me. Khaled is a nice guy. She is a mean girl.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

Ali is showing her true colours. She has gone from hero to zero for me. Khaled is a nice guy. She is a mean girl.

Guess you’re not watching Live Stream then ..

Ali is comforting a distraught Daze whilst Khaled is swearing obscenities in the lounge


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[fredmeneedle]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Oh **** off with the bullying ****.

Don't even go there.

Yeah too right.... the "bullying" thing gets bandied about far too often when all that is happening is that people are being challenged on their viewpoints

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by fredmeneedle

Yeah too right.... the "bullying" thing gets bandied about far too often when all that is happening is that people are being challenged on their viewpoints

The funny thing is people get savaged for not having an opinion yet Ali is being roasted for having an opinion and sharing it ( to the other person’s face ( not backstabbing)


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[Mystic Mock]

I'm not a huge fan of Khalid.

But I don't believe that he is this awful Human Being, I think that Ali is doing what Angela did to Matt in the recent BBUSA.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Beso

Izaaz is the one that is guarded, not Khaled.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…(if)..some of the housemates are correct in their assessment of him constantly being self aware of doing and saying ‘the right thing’ and what he feels is the right thing to do and say etc…?…the I don’t think that he would enjoy HoH anyway because he’ll drive himself crazy in second guessing every decision he makes and his whole time in the room…

I think it's likely true, but calling him fake is one notch below gameplayer. It's more like he's simply paranoid... the absolutely worst thing he did was take Ali's bait (that's what I think of her little "assessment") when she put him on the defense to defend himself against what are perceptions... Can you imagine? "Everyone here thinks you're trying to manipulate them by being nice"... so if he tries to defend himself or act even nicer to them, he's manipulating them anyway. Nice.

She's been doing that to multiple HMs now. Daze tonight on livefeed was beating Nathan upside the head with the "But I feel" line of argumentation that is equally as manipulative, except imo she wasn't articulate at all. But Ali comes in to tell her how incredibly smart and articulate she was and more or less confesses she's been trying to instruct the entire house as to how to speak to her...

Ali can't claim to be neutral when she's clearly sticking up for the same group of people (clearly her buddies) and going out of her way to defend them against attacks against their own personality flaws, but then hanging others out to dry for the public... I think it's fine she tells Khaled to his face she thinks about he's playing a game and doesn't like certain traits he's displayed. That's fine, but don't make it out to be like "Well other people said this"... that's manipulative.

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah he was saying it in a pretty light hearted way between two mates, he wasn't exactly twisting his arm to make him say it. He also didn't really push it much after that and respected Izaaz's view imo

That's how I would've interpreted it myself sat in that same scenario. But I can understand where they left plenty of room for that to be interpreted another way, such as strong arming him to pick a side. And they unintentionally gave Izaaz a free pass to play that card to his own advantage, hence him going to "inform" Ali, ie to get her involved in his place. I think when Khaled says he doesn't understand how the game is played, he's 100% not lying there That was not a good call especially as he said himself he knew Izaaz was warmer with the other group... but I still think a lot of what's going on with Khaled could just as easily be anxiety, though, he's obviously trying to play a game too...

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

There is a difference in having an opinion on someone and trying to turn the house against someone
Tonight we saw Ali do that

Agreed, but she's clever enough with words that she can walk away from that accusation more easily than the others. It is what it is. That's why she's been selected and not another person.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Maru

I think it's likely true, but calling him fake is one notch below gameplayer. It's more like he's simply paranoid... the absolutely worst thing he did was take Ali's bait (that's what I think of her little "assessment") when she put him on the defense to defend himself against what are perceptions... Can you imagine? "Everyone here thinks you're trying to manipulate them by being nice"... so if he tries to defend himself or act even nicer to them, he's manipulating them anyway. Nice.

She's been doing that to multiple HMs now. Daze tonight on livefeed was beating Nathan upside the head with the "But I feel" line of argumentation that is equally as manipulative, except imo she wasn't articulate at all. But Ali comes in to tell her how incredibly smart and articulate she was and more or less confesses she's been trying to instruct the entire house as to how to speak to her...

Ali can't claim to be neutral when she's clearly sticking up for the same group of people (clearly her buddies) and going out of her way to defend them against attacks against their own personality flaws, but then hanging others out to dry for the public... I think it's fine she tells Khaled to his face she thinks about he's playing a game and doesn't like certain traits he's displayed. That's fine, but don't make it out to be like "Well other people said this"... that's manipulative.



That's how I would've interpreted it myself sat in that same scenario. But I can understand where they left plenty of room for that to be interpreted another way, such as strong arming him to pick a side. And they unintentionally gave Izaaz a free pass to play that card to his own advantage, hence him going to "inform" Ali, ie to get her involved in his place. I think when Khaled says he doesn't understand how the game is played, he's 100% not lying there That was not a good call especially as he said himself he knew Izaaz was warmer with the other group... but I still think a lot of what's going on with Khaled could just as easily be anxiety, though, he's obviously trying to play a game too...



Agreed, but she's clever enough with words that she can walk away from that accusation more easily than the others. It is what it is. That's why she's been selected and not another person.

And yet an hour ago Ali sided with Daze when Daze and Nathan were having a tiff ( so she went against her friend Nathan )



( Nathan and Daze had a fallout )


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[jet]

In a house of 15 people how awful is it if someone is coming across as trying to be too nice, as Khalid is supposedly doing? Does it even matter? It might matter to viewers who want rows and drama but I can’t see it being a big thing for a resident HM with 14 other people in the house to focus on, many of them having worse traits and habits than being ‘too nice’.

Imo it wasn't at all appropriate for Ali to speak to him in such a superior and dismissive way “you can go back to your party” etc, and when she confronted him later (which she should have done in private instead of belittling him in front of his mates) she was so patronising and icy cold.
I just think the whole thing was vindictive and unnecessary.

[GlitterUK]

Plus why is she nit picking at only Khaled? Surely Rosie, Martha come under the being too nice bracket also?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by jet

In a house of 15 people how awful is it if someone is coming across as trying to be too nice, as Khalid is supposedly doing? Does it even matter? It might matter to viewers who want rows and drama but I can’t see it being a big thing for a resident HM with 14 other people in the house to focus on, many of them having worse traits and habits than being ‘too nice’.

Imo it wasn't at all appropriate for Ali to speak to him in such a superior and dismissive way “you can go back to your party” etc, and when she confronted him later (which she should have done in private instead of belittling him in front of his mates) she was so patronising and icy cold.
I just think the whole thing was vindictive and unnecessary.

I agree that maybe things could have been handled better BUT this is Big Brother and we know how emotions and tensions are extremely heightened


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[vesavius]

Originally Posted by GlitterUK

Plus why is she nit picking at only Khaled? Surely Rosie, Martha come under the being too nice bracket also?

I suspect that there is a streak of misandry that runs through her.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I agree that maybe things could have been handled better BUT this is Big Brother and we know how emotions and tensions are extremely heightened


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I wish Ali would give Lily an icy cold lecture on excavating her nostrils and munching on the contents.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by jet

In a house of 15 people how awful is it if someone is coming across as trying to be too nice, as Khalid is supposedly doing? Does it even matter?

I thought I was the only one feeling that way and it's kinda crazy to me.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Zizu

And yet an hour ago Ali sided with Daze when Daze and Nathan were having a tiff ( so she went against her friend Nathan )



( Nathan and Daze had a fallout )


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Judging by the argument with Daze on live feed, I think Nathan is a bit easier to "manipulate" and cojol. He swims for friendly waters no matter whose waters those are... but I did appreciate that he just was like "Nah". Made me like Lord Nathan more, tbh. Edit: Who knows now though where he'll swim...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

And yet an hour ago Ali sided with Daze when Daze and Nathan were having a tiff ( so she went against her friend Nathan )



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I don't get why Ali keeps getting herself involved in these squabbles though?

Sometimes being a wet lettuce like Izaaz is a smart gameplay move.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I suspect that there is a streak of misandry that runs through her.

She's definitely playing a Misandry strategy (even though I know that certain people don't want to hear that, or read it in this case) I do think she's trying to play the modern day feminist strategy, which does tend to lean heavily into Misandry a lot of the time.

I like to think that Ali in her day to day life isn't like that though.

[joeysteele]

Often very little actually makes any sense in the BB house.
People turn on others sometimes for no apparent reason.
Ali in her job is probably as she is in the house.

I have no dislike for Khaled but I do feel there's something about him that he isn't showing yet.
Actually Ryan said as much on TV tonight too in that he agreed with Ali.

At least she isn't being nice to his face while slagging him off in the diary room.
I do think she could have put her thoughts in different terms.
However at least he knows what she really thinks of him.
That's something many previous housemates on BB have never been able to work out about others in series.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

She's definitely playing a Misandry strategy (even though I know that certain people don't want to hear that, or read it in this case) I do think she's trying to play the modern day feminist strategy, which does tend to lean heavily into Misandry a lot of the time.

I like to think that Ali in her day to day life isn't like that though.

Yeah, hopefully not, but I am of the thought that you can tell a lot who a person really is in how they choose to play a game.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Yeah, hopefully not, but I am of the thought that you can tell a lot who a person really is in how they choose to play a game.

Sometimes that can be the case.

Other times it can be players playing too hard due to being extremely competitive.

Time will tell why Ali is playing that strategy imo.

And in fairness I am suspicious with who I think that Khaled could nominate himself, as I have noticed a pattern of him clashing with the girls a fair bit.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Sometimes that can be the case.

Other times it can be players playing too hard due to being extremely competitive.

Time will tell why Ali is playing that strategy imo.

And in fairness I am suspicious with who I think that Khaled could nominate himself, as I have noticed a pattern of him clashing with the girls a fair bit.

True

[Abra]

I agree. I really liked Ali in the beginning but I think she's been very harsh on him, unless there is something we are entirely missing but I doubt it. I also don't really like how it's almost framed like because of Ali's profession that makes her qualified to make a full assessment of someone's personality based on very little.