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Originally Posted by BBXX

I do appreciate these are behaviours in both men and women, but I think what turns something into a gender-led toxic behaviour is the reasoning for the behaviour and quite often it's linked to them acting that way because they think it's a threat to their masculinity to not behave that way.

I do also agree that many of these sorts of behaviours are dying out thankfully, but I do also think that the rise in popularity of people like Andrew Tate is creating a bit of an uptick in toxic behaviour in young men.

But I do understand your points, too.

Yeah, Tate is a dickhead... His growth is a mystery to me and I can only put it down to extreme actions provoking extreme reactions. I don't personally see the appeal in the man at all.

I just think that toxic behaviours are usually pretty universal and gender labels for them are usually (not saying you at all) just an attempt to other or distance the observer away from them ("it's that group, not my group"). I don't think they serve a real purpose beyond that.

I talk to so many feminists that insist that women are the vehicles of perfection and incapable of bad thoughts or intentions and that it's all on the evil men. They don't even recognise the existence of 'toxic feminity'... they use the label of male toxicity to absolve themselves of all responsibility for their own behaviours.

And yeah, it's good to talk about these things