[user104658]

Realistically has any child sung this at all since about 1993.

Originally Posted by Livia

Jezuz Christ.. who's going to fight our wars in the future??

Robots, drones and accountants. Like our current wars. I would think.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Realistically has any child sung this at all since about 1993.



Robots, drones and accountants. Like our current wars. I would think.

Everyone on front lines in the recent past and currently will be very relieved to hear that.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Everyone on front lines in the recent past and currently will be very relieved to hear that.

Well it's not random conscripted children/young adults, is it, and realistically isn't going to be again. It's going to be tech and professional soldiers. If the argument is that there will be fewer people who want to become professional soldiers, or that they'll be less effective soldiers than previous generations, because they didn't sing certain children's songs... well, that's another debate but I can't see much of a strong argument behind it.

"That mission wouldn't have failed, goddamnitt, if only Jim had sung about drunken sailors instead of angry pirates!!"

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Well it's not random conscripted children/young adults, is it, and realistically isn't going to be again. It's going to be tech and professional soldiers. If the argument is that there will be fewer people who want to become professional soldiers, or that they'll be less effective soldiers than previous generations, because they didn't sing certain children's songs... well, that's another debate but I can't see much of a strong argument behind it.

"That mission wouldn't have failed, goddamnitt, if only Jim had sung about drunken sailors instead of angry pirates!!"

What the hell are you rambling about?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

What the hell are you rambling about?

The fairly obvious fact that changing a children's song lyric from drunken sailor to angry pirates is not going to result in a generation of soft-soldiers who can't fight wars .

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

The fairly obvious fact that changing a children's song lyric from drunken sailor to angry pirates is not going to result in a generation of soft-soldiers who can't fight wars .

You're such a literalist when it suits you.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're such a literalist when it suits you.

I feel like I'm not being literal enough in response though.

What I'm saying is that no amount of "societal wokery" in the general population is going to make it more challenging to recruit and train effective military personnel. It just won't. Being asked to fight in morally ambiguous conflicts/conflicts with ambiguous goals might. But "generations of softies making soft soldiers" just is not a realistic outcome.

So it's only "a problem" in a conscription situation where there's a requirement for those who aren't signing up voluntarily to fight. And if that happens we're ****ed anyway.

Plus the actual issue will not be people being "too soft to fight", the problem will be lack of automatic adherence to authority. The wokies are actually quite violent/destructive at times.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Well it's not random conscripted children/young adults, is it, and realistically isn't going to be again. It's going to be tech and professional soldiers. If the argument is that there will be fewer people who want to become professional soldiers, or that they'll be less effective soldiers than previous generations, because they didn't sing certain children's songs... well, that's another debate but I can't see much of a strong argument behind it.

"That mission wouldn't have failed, goddamnitt, if only Jim had sung about drunken sailors instead of angry pirates!!"

Well that's exactly what's happening in a major European war right now