[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Trans women are more likely to be predators that cis men? That’s just wrong I’m afraid

I’m glad we can agree that biological men are more likely to be predators

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I’m glad we can agree that biological men are more likely to be predators

and that is the crux, and to expand on that given that biological men can now identify on a whim as trans and some people would want them to have access to female only spaces and they find that acceptable. If someone is genuinely trans I have no issues with them accessing female spaces as long as they are post op, pre op...no I am afraid as there are too many opportunists, and thats not me being a transphobe, its me being practical about my safety just the same as I would be walking on my own at night, and that is my right.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and that is the crux, and to expand on that given that biological men can now identify on a whim as trans and some people would want them to have access to female only spaces and they find that acceptable.

Do you honestly think straight, biological men who want to harm women will cosplay as a woman to gain access to women's spaces just to assault them though?

If someone is going to break the law and assault a woman, they will do it regardless. The statistics of violence from straight biological men towards women shows that they don't need to pretend to be a woman in order to assault them. They do it anyway. Time and time again.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Do you honestly think straight, biological men who want to harm women will cosplay as a woman to gain access to women's spaces just to assault them though?

If someone is going to break the law and assault a woman, they will do it regardless. The statistics of violence from straight biological men towards women shows that they don't need to pretend to be a woman in order to assault them. They do it anyway. Time and time again.

Yes, I do, for a range of reasons, to access vulnerable women and children, to intimidate, to prove they can access female spaces, to have an easier time in prison...how many men who have raped women have been placed in womens prisons for instance? and one is too many btw

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes, I do, for a range of reasons, to access vulnerable women and children, to intimidate, to prove they can access female spaces, to have an easier time in prison...how many men who have raped women have been placed in womens prisons for instance? and one is too many btw

I don’t, how many fake trans women are in prison, dressing and living like a woman daily to be closer to biological women?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I don’t, how many fake trans women are in prison, dressing and living like a woman daily to be closer to biological women?

In the UK, there were 268 transgender prisoners in 2023, which is an increase from 230 in 2022. Of those, 225 reported their legal gender as male and 43 as female.

The number of transgender prisoners in the UK is difficult to calculate, and the actual number is likely higher than what is recorded. Some reasons for this include:

Prisoners serving shorter sentences are less likely to have a case conference and are less likely to be counted.

There may be confusion over classification among inmates or officials.

Some prisoners with a gender recognition certificate are not counted as transgender.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

In the UK, there were 268 transgender prisoners in 2023, which is an increase from 230 in 2022. Of those, 225 reported their legal gender as male and 43 as female.

The number of transgender prisoners in the UK is difficult to calculate, and the actual number is likely higher than what is recorded. Some reasons for this include:

Prisoners serving shorter sentences are less likely to have a case conference and are less likely to be counted.

There may be confusion over classification among inmates or officials.

Some prisoners with a gender recognition certificate are not counted as transgender.

Thanks, maybe I need another coffee but I can't see from that how many of those transgender prisoners are actually straight, biological males infiltrating as
women in order to gain closer access to women and how many of legitimate transgender women.

I appreciate that women's safety is important, I completely agree it is. What I don't agree with is pretending there is a pandemic of fake transgender females assaulting biological women.

The reason I object is because it does feel sometimes that certain scenarios are blown out of proportion towards a particular demographic that a lot of society doesn't like or understand while other scenarios that are an issue are ignored. It's like people often use it as a fake excuse to malign a group of people they don't like and that's why we should be truthful about actually how much of an issue it actually is.

For example, in the USA the same people who say trans women doesn't be in women's spaces because they are a risk to women are often the same people who say drags queens shouldn't be around children and they're often the same people who object to specific gun legislation despite it actually being a huge threat and a huge killer.

(I am not saying anyone is this thread aligns with that specific example, unless you do and therefore I'd love to know how you measure threat and why energy is put towards one and not the other)

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I don’t, how many fake trans women are in prison, dressing and living like a woman daily to be closer to biological women?

How would you even prove someone isn't really trans? Regardless, it doesn't matter if someone is really trans or not, if they're male in all the physical sense of the word, they shouldn't be in female spaces full stop. Women's rights matter. Women have the right to female only spaces when they're in a state of undress or are vulnerable.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How would you even prove someone isn't really trans? Regardless, it doesn't matter if someone is really trans or not, if they're male in all the physical sense of the word, they shouldn't be in female spaces full stop. Women's rights matter. Women have the right to female only spaces when they're in a state of undress or are vulnerable.

The fact that it is just a feeling is precisely why it is being abused by prisoners

They know they cant fool people and take advantage of it

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How would you even prove someone isn't really trans? Regardless, it doesn't matter if someone is really trans or not, if they're male in all the physical sense of the word, they shouldn't be in female spaces full stop. Women's rights matter. Women have the right to female only spaces when they're in a state of undress or are vulnerable.

I do understand this but I also know that people will piggy back off this with their own prejustice and so even if someone has had all the operations and is taking all the medicine, it still wouldn’t be enough, so that is why I think it’s a more complex issue that needs consideration for all parties involved.

I do appreciate your point and the earlier points completely I just think we need to be careful because while women deserve to feel safe, so do trans people and creating a narrative that trans people are a risk to society when it ain’t quite true is a threat to their life.