[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

sorry I have to come back again on this, and it is inexplicable why the trans community are not more vocal about the people who are using trans self id for their own ends, its not about trans people, its about MEN abusing the system, not sure what there is for people to get their heads around Isla Bryson is not a transwoman HE is a MAN who used the system that is currently in place for his own benefit

As I said it's a very complex issue. I do understand your point, but also in another respect, why is it up to trans people to disavow the activity on criminals using their identity as a gateway to be a criminal? If I pretended to be a Republican before attacking a Democrat, is it up to Republicans specifically to speak about it? Or if I attacked someone and claimed it was a religious-led attack despite being atheist? I am not sure.

Secondly, shining a spotlight that is not a widespread issue creates a very real threat to legitimate trans people, so I do understand. Some people will very much blur the lines between the two.

There are many times bigots use negative association with a certain demographic as a bargaining chip to try and prove their own prejudice as truth. For instance, if a gay man is caught being a paedophile, there will be many, many people using one incident to say "See... I told you so". It happens all the time. Hell, I have literally read it on here. And so it's very risky for a marginalised minority to shine a spotlight on something that many people will associate with their identity even if it is unrelated.

I hope I explained that okay.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BBXX

As I said it's a very complex issue. I do understand your point, but also in another respect, why is it up to trans people to disavow the activity on criminals using their identity as a gateway to be a criminal? If I pretended to be a Republican before attacking a Democrat, is it up to Republicans specifically to speak about it? Or if I attacked someone and claimed it was a religious-led attack despite being atheist? I am not sure.

Secondly, shining a spotlight that is not a widespread issue creates a very real threat to legitimate trans people, so I do understand. Some people will very much blur the lines between the two.

There are many times bigots use negative association with a certain demographic as a bargaining chip to try and prove their own prejudice as truth. For instance, if a gay man is caught being a paedophile, there will be many, many people using one incident to say "See... I told you so". It happens all the time. Hell, I have literally read it on here. And so it's very risky for a marginalised minority to shine a spotlight on something that many people will associate with their identity even if it is unrelated.

I hope I explained that okay.

Are you American, BBXX?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Are you American, BBXX?

No, why do you ask?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BBXX

No, why do you ask?

Because in this thread you've spoken about gun deaths in the USA and used an example of Republicans attacking Democrats.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Khelif's gold under scrutiny once again as feminist group complains



Women’s rights group ICONS says Imane Khelif’s 🇩🇿 Olympic gold medal 🥇
“should be withdrawn” after medical report claims Algerian boxer suffers from
5-alpha reductase deficiency, a sexual development disorder found in genetic
males.

https://x.com/thbharatcurrent/status...64218463322192

https://www.insidethegames.biz/artic...iny-once-again

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Khelif's gold under scrutiny once again as feminist group complains



Women’s rights group ICONS says Imane Khelif’s 🇩🇿 Olympic gold medal 🥇
“should be withdrawn” after medical report claims Algerian boxer suffers from
5-alpha reductase deficiency, a sexual development disorder found in genetic
males.

https://x.com/thbharatcurrent/status...64218463322192

https://www.insidethegames.biz/artic...iny-once-again

Imane Khelif is a biologically born female


how many more times do i need to repeat myself

[Christmas Dynasnow]

https://x.com/piersmorgan/status/1928502076440526968

Finally, common sense prevails. Of course, Khelif can always take the test, but
that, I suspect, would reveal an uncomfortable truth.

BREAKING: World Boxing to introduce mandatory sex testing for its competitions.

It means Imane Khelif won't be able to take part in next month's Eindhoven Cup. Part of the World Boxing statement below...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by BBXX

As I said it's a very complex issue. I do understand your point, but also in another respect, why is it up to trans people to disavow the activity on criminals using their identity as a gateway to be a criminal? If I pretended to be a Republican before attacking a Democrat, is it up to Republicans specifically to speak about it? Or if I attacked someone and claimed it was a religious-led attack despite being atheist? I am not sure.

Secondly, shining a spotlight that is not a widespread issue creates a very real threat to legitimate trans people, so I do understand. Some people will very much blur the lines between the two.

There are many times bigots use negative association with a certain demographic as a bargaining chip to try and prove their own prejudice as truth. For instance, if a gay man is caught being a paedophile, there will be many, many people using one incident to say "See... I told you so". It happens all the time. Hell, I have literally read it on here. And so it's very risky for a marginalised minority to shine a spotlight on something that many people will associate with their identity even if it is unrelated.

I hope I explained that okay.

I don't actually particularly disagree with any of what you've said here in principle -- all I would really say is, the politics of the issue (public discourse) should not affect, nor play into in any way, the actual discussion of safeguarding, policy and lawmaking around the issue; people who actually understand these issues should be properly assessing it in a reasonable and balanced way not subject to the often-explosive emotion that comes from both angles (and crucially, they must be allowed to be, without being subject to threats and intimidation either physical or to their careers).

That's not happening and that's not just on one group.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by BBXX

As I said it's a very complex issue. I do understand your point, but also in another respect, why is it up to trans people to disavow the activity on criminals using their identity as a gateway to be a criminal? If I pretended to be a Republican before attacking a Democrat, is it up to Republicans specifically to speak about it? Or if I attacked someone and claimed it was a religious-led attack despite being atheist? I am not sure.

Secondly, shining a spotlight that is not a widespread issue creates a very real threat to legitimate trans people, so I do understand. Some people will very much blur the lines between the two.

There are many times bigots use negative association with a certain demographic as a bargaining chip to try and prove their own prejudice as truth. For instance, if a gay man is caught being a paedophile, there will be many, many people using one incident to say "See... I told you so". It happens all the time. Hell, I have literally read it on here. And so it's very risky for a marginalised minority to shine a spotlight on something that many people will associate with their identity even if it is unrelated.

I hope I explained that okay.

Its not just up to trans people, women raise this issue all the time but are called TERFs, if the trans community allied with women it might make the issue more acceptable to discuss...just a thought, the issues affects women and trans women in the main so they should be on board with shining a light on the abuse of self ID by men