[Ammi]

…it’s an interesting thing because it’s another ‘not one size fits all’ type thing…panic attacks can come from very different places for different people…some aren’t even emotionally based, I believe…they can come from physical exertion…

…anger/rage can obviously come from a place of feeling threatened…/…like a fight or flight/type thing…it’s also something that very much can come from a place of triggering hurt/pain…and that can either be physical or emotional pain…for me and something that I learned in CBT of a certain thing that in the past has triggered an ‘irrational anger’…and not really having understood that apparent irrational annoyance at something that seemed quite…trivial, I guess…but in ‘tracing’ that link, it actually made complete sense because the sub conscious was linking physical pain to the annoyance and that manifested as anger because an understanding wasn’t there to focus it in any other direction…anyway, there are obviously other ‘triggers’ to anger as well in other people, we’re all different…and as I say, not one size fits all, it rarely does have that fit…

…going back to the fight or flight thing, if there was a situation for instance with someone choosing flight as an instinct…that ‘lack of assertiveness’ as it were…can create anxieties that can then build to a panic attack …when someone feels a sense of helplessness/a loss of control and feeling lost and an inner struggle as to how to regain that …that’s really touching a bit on what Kate was saying about hereditary’….in that if someone struggles to assert themselves, that can then be something that’s also passed down to a child ….anyway, these are just all ‘in my opinion’ type things…because it really does depend on the person and very specifics about them and their situation and environment and so many factors etc that creates a panic attack…

[user104658]

I guess, to use a "simpler brain" example - dogs are not capable of feeling anger. Anger is a complex social emotion that dogs just don't have. However a dog can clearly be aggressive. Any dog trainer will tell you, an aggressive/reactive dog is an anxious dog... it's not an angry dog.

I think that is on a basic level, the same mechanism in all mammals.

[Redway]

Has anyone on this thread taken imipramine, by any chance?

[MTVN]

I think anxiety can manifest itself as anger but that doesn't mean anger is always the product of anxiety. Anger is a legitimate emotion in its own right which can sometimes be valid and sometimes be a problem. There are time when anger can actually do a lot of good. When it becomes a problem I think there can be many reasons for that and only some of them will be driven by anxiety

[AnnieK]

I went through a period of anxiety and panic attacks but been a while since I had one. Doc gave me propranolol and then citalopram but thankfully been a while since I had a bad panic attack...

I had a lot in my sleep that were like sleep paralysis l...they were horrid but I got to a point after a lot of research that I recognised what they were...both in sleep and awake and dealt with them better and they didn't last as long

[Maru]

Recently I thought I was, turns out it was really bad asthma that I didn't know I could have. I could not breath for **** and thankfully hub had an inhaler for his seasonal allergies and that at least kept me from the ER (A&E)... and now I'm on allergy meds daily (a habit I never had) and occasionally need an inhaler.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cranbred Goose

Has anyone on this thread taken imipramine, by any chance?

I'm sure you have..

what ever the big pharma BS it is

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I think anxiety can manifest itself as anger but that doesn't mean anger is always the product of anxiety. Anger is a legitimate emotion in its own right which can sometimes be valid and sometimes be a problem. There are time when anger can actually do a lot of good. When it becomes a problem I think there can be many reasons for that and only some of them will be driven by anxiety

Yes but there's a difference between healthy situational anger and outbursts of rage; that's what I mean in the dog example. Dogs are not capable of the complex human experience that you're talking about here as anger. I'd also argue that the type of anger you're talking about is not one emotion but a confluence of several possible emotions; frustration, pride, protectiveness etc.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynamo

f sake stop talking LA bulls1t

What is LA in this context?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Quantum Bauble

Yes but there's a difference between healthy situational anger and outbursts of rage; that's what I mean in the dog example. Dogs are not capable of the complex human experience that you're talking about here as anger. I'd also argue that the type of anger you're talking about is not one emotion but a confluence of several possible emotions; frustration, pride, protectiveness etc.

But isn't anxiety just one of these emotions too that contributes to anger?

[Niamh.]

Deleted some posts in here, stick to the topic please, not eachother

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynamo

I'm sure you have..

what ever the big pharma BS it is

Erm.

[Mystic Mock]

Not a panic attack.

I can feel anxiety sometimes, but that's normally where it ends for me.