[Swan]

All this flirting, and touchy feelyness with Chris, can't be nice to see for her partner? Any time the issue is raised during L&L it's usually shut down because she's "gay". The HL shows are pretty tame too, they leave out about 90% of their intimate interactions. Regular live feed watchers will know their relationship is a lot more intimate than what we see on the nightly HL's. I mean, just a recent example, JoJo rubbing Chris' inner thigh when they were in the hot tub together the other night. Sorry, but how is that platonic? Ali was saying last night "well JoJo identifies as a gay women, and she's set clear boundaries with Chris, and that he's always the one coming on and jokingly shut down". That's clearly not the case!

I know it's a touchy subject, but i think it's pretty obvious she fancies Chris, as he does her. They are literally all over each other, just last night they were in bed together, Chris between her legs, her rubbing his shoulders and chest. I dunno, it must be awful for her partner to witness.

People will say "she's gay, end off" but i think it's a bit more complex than that tbh. I don't know how much more obvious it could be that she fancies him.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Swan

All this flirting, and touchy feelyness with Chris, can't be nice to see for her partner? Any time the issue is raised during L&L it's usually shut down because she's "gay". The HL shows are pretty tame too, they leave out about 90% of their intimate interactions. Regular live feed watchers will know their relationship is a lot more intimate than what we see on the nightly HL's. I mean, just a recent example, JoJo rubbing Chris' inner thigh when they were in the hot tub together the other night. Sorry, but how is that platonic? Ali was saying last night "well JoJo identifies as a gay women, and she's set clear boundaries with Chris, and that he's always the one coming on and jokingly shut down". That's clearly not the case!

I know it's a touchy subject, but i think it's pretty obvious she fancies Chris, as he does her. They are literally all over each other, just last night they were in bed together, Chris between her legs, her rubbing his shoulders and chest. I dunno, it must be awful for her partner to witness.

People will say "she's gay, end off" but i think it's a bit more complex than that tbh. I don't know how much more obvious it could be that she fancies him.

I reckon her girlfriend will give her a friendly ‘choke out’ as a gentle warning

[arista]

Swan, she is only 21

Chris is much older

[Swan]

Originally Posted by arista

Swan, she is only 21

Chris is much older

I guess so.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

Swan, she is only 21

Chris is much older

10 years older

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by arista

Swan, she is only 21

Chris is much older

She comes across very confident in herself…she knows exactly what she is doing.
Ali defending a fellow lesbian….she wouldn’t have behaved like that in the house in full knowledge that it would have offended her girlfriend

[MTVN]

I understand the sentiment behind people not wanting to invalidate her sexuality etc but she is still young, she has dated men before and she did previously identify as pansexual I believe. She's also said she's not sure about her gender identity so there could definitely be some all round confusion there. It shouldn't be fully off limits to say that. Plus she's also spoken quite sympathetically about polygamy

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

She comes across very confident in herself…she knows exactly what she is doing.
Ali defending a fellow lesbian….she wouldn’t have behaved like that in the house in full knowledge that it would have offended her girlfriend

Ali always starts with the premise that the woman is invariably the wronged party in some way, and then works her way backwards from there in order to make the evidence fit her conclusion.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I understand the sentiment behind people not wanting to invalidate her sexuality etc but she is still young, she has dated men before and she did previously identify as pansexual I believe. She's also said she's not sure about her gender identity so there could definitely be some all round confusion there. It shouldn't be fully off limits to say that. Plus she's also spoken quite sympathetically about polygamy

Yeah, crazy how quickly people want to shut those down questioning her relationship with Chris. Still they'll be the ones with egg on their faces. It's quite obvious she's sexually attracted to Chris. Her partner is probably low key mortified by what's she's seeing. The HL shows play it down, as do L&L, but the live feed every night paints a completely different picture.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Swan

Yeah, crazy how quickly people want to shut those down questioning her relationship with Chris. Still they'll be the ones with egg on their faces. It's quite obvious she's sexually attracted to Chris. Her partner is probably low key mortified by what's she's seeing. The HL shows play it down, as do L&L, but the live feed every night paints a completely different picture.

Also she's only been in a new relationship for a matter of months and her partner lives on the other side of the world, it's not like they've been together for years

[Swan]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Also she's only been in a new relationship for a matter of months and her partner lives on the other side of the world, it's not like they've been together for years

Yeah, maybe her partner is keeping her mouth shut on this for obvious reasons, $.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I understand the sentiment behind people not wanting to invalidate her sexuality etc but she is still young, she has dated men before and she did previously identify as pansexual I believe. She's also said she's not sure about her gender identity so there could definitely be some all round confusion there. It shouldn't be fully off limits to say that. Plus she's also spoken quite sympathetically about polygamy

Maybe she’s spent too long with her LGBT friends and non binary / pan sexual guys so when she’s spent time with a normal , straight guy in Chris … it’s actually blown her mind to what she’s possibly been missing

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Swan

All this flirting, and touchy feelyness with Chris, can't be nice to see for her partner? Any time the issue is raised during L&L it's usually shut down because she's "gay". The HL shows are pretty tame too, they leave out about 90% of their intimate interactions. Regular live feed watchers will know their relationship is a lot more intimate than what we see on the nightly HL's. I mean, just a recent example, JoJo rubbing Chris' inner thigh when they were in the hot tub together the other night. Sorry, but how is that platonic? Ali was saying last night "well JoJo identifies as a gay women, and she's set clear boundaries with Chris, and that he's always the one coming on and jokingly shut down". That's clearly not the case!

I know it's a touchy subject, but i think it's pretty obvious she fancies Chris, as he does her. They are literally all over each other, just last night they were in bed together, Chris between her legs, her rubbing his shoulders and chest. I dunno, it must be awful for her partner to witness.

People will say "she's gay, end off" but i think it's a bit more complex than that tbh. I don't know how much more obvious it could be that she fancies him.

I think JoJo is getting an easier ride on this.

I've gone right off her because she's both encouraging it in part and enabling it too.
She has the person who is watching outside and knows she has.
She is equally at least as bad as Chris.
In my opinion anyhow.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think JoJo is getting an easier ride on this.

I've gone right off her because she's both encouraging it in part and enabling it too.
She has the person who is watching outside and knows she has.
She is equally at least as bad as Chris.
In my opinion anyhow.

….. and yet the LGBT folk in the Late & Live studio were firmly in the belief that Jo Jo was completely blameless in all this and it was the much older Chris was to blame

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

….. and yet the LGBT folk in the Late & Live studio were firmly in the belief that Jo Jo was completely blameless in all this and it was the much older Chris was to blame

Hence why I'm saying I agree with the thread title question as to her getting off too lightly.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I understand the sentiment behind people not wanting to invalidate her sexuality etc but she is still young, she has dated men before and she did previously identify as pansexual I believe. She's also said she's not sure about her gender identity so there could definitely be some all round confusion there. It shouldn't be fully off limits to say that. Plus she's also spoken quite sympathetically about polygamy

By the same token, she might not want to call herself a lesbian as her girlfriend identifies as nonbinary, so she doesn't want to invalidate her gender identity.

[Ray.]

Lol this world is so funny now

[Swan]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think JoJo is getting an easier ride on this.

I've gone right off her because she's both encouraging it in part and enabling it too.
She has the person who is watching outside and knows she has.
She is equally at least as bad as Chris.
In my opinion anyhow.

After having all week off work, i've been watching the live feed every night, and i would actually argue JoJo is the biggest instigator of out the two. If Chris is not puppy dogging her, showing her attention, she'll go out of her way to cuddle him, touch him, gain his attention somehow.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

By the same token, she might not want to call herself a lesbian as her girlfriend identifies as nonbinary, so she doesn't want to invalidate her gender identity.

Originally Posted by Ray.

Lol this world is so funny now

Yeah, no offence Oliver, but reading your post killed a few of my brain cells, not that i have many

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ray.

Lol this world is so funny now

…. and yet Mickey was supposed to understand all this nonsense

[Maru]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I understand the sentiment behind people not wanting to invalidate her sexuality etc but she is still young, she has dated men before and she did previously identify as pansexual I believe. She's also said she's not sure about her gender identity so there could definitely be some all round confusion there. It shouldn't be fully off limits to say that. Plus she's also spoken quite sympathetically about polygamy

Yeah she's one discussion with her partner away from getting into polyamory herself. Saying one is open to complexities of sexual identity/different types of relationships and then acting flirtatiously with other people at random, imo, they're using reasons for "exploration" is a social certificate to cheat, basically...

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

By the same token, she might not want to call herself a lesbian as her girlfriend identifies as nonbinary, so she doesn't want to invalidate her gender identity.

I hate to say it, but domestic rates are higher for lesbian/bisexual women, so that could be a valid concern.

[Swan]

She's thirsting over Chris tennis grunts now during the live feed lmao

[Zizu]

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That’s her testosterone talking


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[Swan]

Originally Posted by Zizu

That’s her testosterone talking


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It's something alright

[GlitterUK]

From what I have seen they both enjoy each others company. Both are happy to be touchy with one another. They bonded from the get go as both are fun natured characters. The other housemates are just jealous. Ella as she didn't get her rebound showmance or the attention she craves from Chris and the other housemates cannot compete.

They are young, fun and living life and making the most of the show, unlike Patsy and Ella.