[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Footie yobs? Jesus Christ, it was families... But yeah, call them all yobs.

It wasn't families trying to bash the car windows in Livia -- it was footie yobs in footie scarves with their hoods up. There are plenty of videos. And yes it was families who then suffered the consequences of the actions of those idiots (and the idiot in the car).

Awful when innocent families get caught up in other people's violence, isn't it?

[Cherie]

We will have to wait, we can speculate all we like, how did he get his car onto the closed off road, did he move the barrier, did someone else, was he under the influence, how much did the angry crowd contribute to his erratic driving and how much was due to him being under the influence, its all ifs and buts at the moment, the only think I can say I think with particular certainty is that he did not drive over people deliberately which is something I suppose and I hope all those in hospital have a full recovery.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Beso

But the crowd attacked his car for for entering the road...That's when he had to speed off in a panic, and that's when the injuries took place.

That’s what I believe happened too. Yes, he shouldn’t have been there (which needs to be looked into how he got there in the first place) but as soon as his car got attacked he panicked and reversed.

And yes there were families there with children for a family day out, but there also would have been plenty of very drunk footie fans too (and we’ve seen what some can be like when hammered, especially in groups and caught in the moment).

[Beso]

Hoods up in the rain, and scarves with the colour of your team on, equals football hooligans..

Ridiculous. If that's what you are claiming then wouldn't you say the parents taking their kids along to this event are stupid morons, rather than good parents making memories! Considering they were surrounded by people in that attire.


Reach of the month award goes to quantum boy.

[Cherie]

I think as well given how long the City had to organise this celebration it was pretty poorly planned, people had to wait 5 HOURS for a train out of the City and kids were being hung over barriers because of fear of being crushed, why on earth were there not extra trains and buses put on to get the crowd away.... madness

[arista]

Originally Posted by Beso

Yep, loooks like the crowd caused this to me..

https://youtu.be/xZczlsQwSlk?si=L2ld7sGW_56xMLfS

No he was Drunk

[Beso]

Originally Posted by arista

No he was Drunk

Drunk or sober, it's still a natural reaction to fight or flight.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Drunk or sober, it's still a natural reaction to fight or flight.

He may not have made the decisions he did if he wasn't drunk though and he may not have panicked so quickly, he really ploughed through people when he drove forwards

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He may not have made the decisions he did if he was drunk though and he may not have panicked so quickly, he really ploughed through people when he drove forwards

Yeah being aware of driving through people and still continuing, while I think still being somewhat explained by "fight or flight", feels more like a blind rage than a panicked "fleeing". Feels more like "red mist" / anger than panic. Of course both can be a fear response.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

No he was Drunk

That has not been confirmed just because he watched the parade in a Pub he could have been drinking a soft drink you have no idea yet, would be a strange thing to do to get into a car drunk when the streets were full of police, maybe he did but its not been verified

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

That has not been confirmed just because he watched the parade in a Pub he could have been drinking a soft drink you have no idea yet, would be a strange thing to do to get into a car drunk when the streets were full of police, maybe he did but its not been verified

Sure today
Police can tell us he was a Drunk Driver


They would have tested him.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Yeah being aware of driving through people and still continuing, while I think still being somewhat explained by "fight or flight", feels more like a blind rage than a panicked "fleeing". Feels more like "red mist" / anger than panic. Of course both can be a fear response.

Again you have no idea what his state of mind was, if the car is automatic he could have put his foot on the wrong pedal, people have done that before, he just sat in the car when it stopped so he was obviously shocked

I know the guy in this story was alot older but in the panic he might have

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...01a075cdab6040

[Cherie]

I just hope this isn't going to turn into a Hillsborough situation with fans being blamed and police failures

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Again you have no idea what his state of mind was, if the car is automatic he could have put his foot on the wrong pedal, people have done that before, he just sat in the car when it stopped so he was obviously shocked

I know the guy in this story was alot older but in the panic he might have

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...01a075cdab6040

I get that but unfortunately any way you look at it the driver is responsible for being in full control of the vehicle, I feel like driving is so "normalised" in the modern world that people do forget that any person behind the wheel of a car is in charge of a potentially lethal piece of heavy machinery. This is sort of covered in driving lessons/highway code but not meaningfully. The responsibility of driving is actually huge and incidents like this highlight why.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I just hope this isn't going to turn into a Hillsborough situation with fans being blamed and police failures

They've already been labelled football yobs in this very thread.

[Gusto Brunt]

Just insane.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

They've already been labelled football yobs in this very thread.

The people punching/kicking windows have, yes. Carry on misrepresenting though Livia I know it's one of the only tools you have in your kit.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He may not have made the decisions he did if he wasn't drunk though and he may not have panicked so quickly, he really ploughed through people when he drove forwards

Would the car have been attacked had drink not been consumed by the baying crowd? He was sober enough to sound his horn repetitively..And only seemed to move as the windows came in.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Would the car have been attacked had drink not been consumed by the baying crowd? He was sober enough to sound his horn repetitively..And only seemed to move as the windows came in.

Why does him beeping his horn prove he was sober? Beeping his horn repeatedly while driving in the middle of a crowd where he shouldn't have been driving is not a great idea at all

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why does him beeping his horn prove he was sober? Beeping his horn repeatedly while driving in the middle of a crowd where he shouldn't have been driving is not a great idea at all

"Sober enough", as in not paralytic drunk.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

"Sober enough", as in not paralytic drunk.

It doesn't prove that either (I'm not saying he was paralytic drunk, I'm just saying whether he beeped his horn or not is no proof either way)

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It doesn't prove that either (I'm not saying he was paralytic drunk, I'm just saying whether he beeped his horn or not is no proof either way)

You wern't saying anything, you asked a question after misreading my post, believing I said he was sober, when I actually said he was sober enough to...


Anyway,I will probably change my mind if he has an eastern European sounding name.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Beso

You wern't saying anything, you asked a question after misreading my post, believing I said he was sober, when I actually said he was sober enough to...


Anyway,I will probably change my mind if he has an eastern European sounding name.

I still don't get why you think you made any sort of valid point at all, and why the fact he beeped his horn says anything at all about how much drink he might(or might not) have had

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I still don't get why you think you made any sort of valid point at all, and why the fact he beeped his horn says anything at all about how much drink he might(or might not) have had

I don't think anything...I was reacting to arista and his statement that he was drunk...I'm stating he was obviously sober enough to think to sound his horn

Its more likely that he was closer to being sober than drunk..is what I take to the sounding of the horn..


Who gives a **** about valid points...I don't it's mere speculation.

At least I'm offering something though.

[Zizu]

Wow

50 injuries

4 extremely serious


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