[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The parents deserve prison

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Beso

I doubt they will ever get closure, even if the mystery is solved. I doubt they will ever be able to forgive themselves for the errors they made that night.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

Every parent makes mistakes or lets their guard down
Those mistakes can have little or no effect on their child or children or can cost their child or children their lives

If you don’t have kids it easy to be very critical of those that do

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Every parent makes mistakes or lets their guard down
Those mistakes can have little or no effect on their child or children or can cost their child or children their lives

If you don’t have kids it easy to be very critical of those that do

Excellent points !


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Every parent makes mistakes or lets their guard down
Those mistakes can have little or no effect on their child or children or can cost their child or children their lives

If you don’t have kids it easy to be very critical of those that do

I don't think that they're evil people tbf.

I do think that they're reckless parents though, and most families would've had their other children taken away from them in the same scenario imo.

I think that they're very lucky that weren't the case.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Every parent makes mistakes or lets their guard down
Those mistakes can have little or no effect on their child or children or can cost their child or children their lives

If you don’t have kids it easy to be very critical of those that do

Do you have to be a parent to know you shouldn’t leave them alone in a foreign country because you want to go out for dinner?

Come on now, that’s ridiculous.

That child is missing (probably dead) and it was a direct consequence of her parents behaviour.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

They should have.

Don’t get the support they receive. They’re hideous parents.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

They should have.

Don’t get the support they receive. They’re hideous parents.

Apparently lots of parents do what they did on holiday.. they were just unfortunate to do it when there were known paedos in that area of Portugal.


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[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Apparently lots of parents do what they did on holiday.. they were just unfortunate to do it when there were known paedos in that area of Portugal.


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I doubt that. If they do then they’re just as good parents as the McCanns.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I doubt that. If they do then they’re just as good parents as the McCanns.

We have noticed that very behaviour many times over the decades when we visit Greece . When holiday chalets are closely situated it’s difficult to miss all the comings and goings

We are non drinkers but the lure of the bars / nightclubs is just too much for many couples on holiday .. I don’t believe that any of them McCanns included ever resorted to sedating their children though .




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[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Apparently lots of parents do what they did on holiday.. they were just unfortunate to do it when there were known paedos in that area of Portugal.


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…but then if that’s true that ‘apparently lots of parents do the same and leave their very young children/babies…’…that’s not a thought process that many parents and many of us would follow when it’s concerning the most precious part of our lives, our children….our actions and instincts are to safeguard our children, not to follow the behaviour or actions of anyone else…by the same vein….so, so many parents would never ever leave their small babies in an apartment while they went out with friends for an evening out…there are so many dangers and possibilities of danger and harm within an apartment/property itself before even any thought of a paedophile ….and there would always be that thought of those who would purposefully harm the children as well…I mean, if it’s an ‘habitual behaviour’ and commonplace for babies to be left alone in holiday apartments or any apartments then surely it’s not ‘unfortunate’ for that person to be in the area at that time…/…it’s actually an explanation as to why they are there…?… because they know that opportunity is there for them in their intent to harm…I wouldn’t say that it’s per-chance that they’re there…and the person that it’s very much more than unfortunate for would be the baby/the child and the absolute horrors they would endure…

…anyway, I don’t personally think that Madeleine’s parents have responsibility for any direct physical harm and they do have to live with their choices for their whole lives…but I also understand completely the condemnation of their choices and the criticism of their parenting on that holiday because they did have choices…Madeleine had none and that’s the perspective that has been considered in that criticism, it’s the consideration and horrific thoughts of what Madeleine went through which is the biggest of all ‘unfortunates’….

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

This.

I'm not going to speculate on this case anymore, it regularly keeps coming up in the news.
Generally with nothing more substantiated in the end.

I recall long debates on here years back, as to what could have been what happened.
I was strongly persuaded by a very determined Chuff me dizzy on this that these parents know much more than they've said.
She didn't hold back and was convincing.
That's all I'll now say on it except for a lot of the behaviour of the parents has always been extremely odd in my view.
As I said Chuff, convinced me more about this sad, tragic and unnecessary loss of a child.
Which certainly was a result in a big part by the NEGLIGENCE of BOTH parents at the time.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This.

I'm not going to speculate on this case anymore, it regularly keeps coming up in the news.
Generally with nothing more substantiated in the end.

I recall long debates on here years back, as to what could have been what happened.
I was strongly persuaded by a very determined Chuff me dizzy on this that these parents know much more than they've said.
She didn't hold back and was convincing.
That's all I'll now say on it except for a lot of the behaviour of the parents has always been extremely odd in my view.
As I said Chuff, convinced me more about this sad, tragic and unnecessary loss of a child.
Which certainly was a result in a big part by the NEGLIGENCE of BOTH parents at the time.

Chuff was always very good at making a convincing argument.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

…I am very glad that the twins weren’t removed from their care…I think their world would have been scary enough and completely turned upside down enough that the best thing for them at the time was the consistency of being in the care of their parents …and with all of the scrutiny as well from authorities and agencies and the media etc…from every angle and perspective, I feel their safety was fairly assured as well as being in the best place emotionally even with all of the chaos ….anyway, apparently they’re both doing very well in their lives and one of the twins, Shaun is a potential Olympic athlete/swimmer and I just can’t help but feel that at the time after Madeleine’s disappearance…to have placed them into care would have been more detrimental and damaging to them than anything else…

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I am very glad that the twins weren’t removed from their care…I think their world would have been scary enough and completely turned upside down enough that the best thing for them at the time was the consistency of being in the care of their parents …and with all of the scrutiny as well from authorities and agencies and the media etc…from every angle and perspective, I feel their safety was fairly assured as well as being in the best place emotionally even with all of the chaos ….anyway, apparently they’re both doing very well in their lives and one of the twins, Shaun is a potential Olympic athlete/swimmer and I just can’t help but feel that at the time after Madeleine’s disappearance…to have placed them into care would have been more detrimental and damaging to them than anything else…

Totally agree


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[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Totally agree


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…that’s not to say though that there won’t (…understandably…)..be comparisons made with cases when children have been removed from the family home and placed into care and especially if ‘privilege and circumstance’ seem to play a part….

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I am very glad that the twins weren’t removed from their care…I think their world would have been scary enough and completely turned upside down enough that the best thing for them at the time was the consistency of being in the care of their parents …and with all of the scrutiny as well from authorities and agencies and the media etc…from every angle and perspective, I feel their safety was fairly assured as well as being in the best place emotionally even with all of the chaos ….anyway, apparently they’re both doing very well in their lives and one of the twins, Shaun is a potential Olympic athlete/swimmer and I just can’t help but feel that at the time after Madeleine’s disappearance…to have placed them into care would have been more detrimental and damaging to them than anything else…

I see where you're coming from.

And I hope that Shaun has a successful Swimming career.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm surprised that they didn't have their other two kids taken off them by Social Services for child neglect.

They’re a middle class white couple, you can guarantee the kids would have been removed if they weren’t

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

They’re a middle class white couple, you can guarantee the kids would have been removed if they weren’t

Yep. If it had been a single mother from a council estate who went out drinking in Benidorm the same distance away from the apartment where her 3 under 4 year olds were in bed, I know a lot of the attitudes would be different

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep. If it had been a single mother from a council estate who went out drinking in Benidorm the same distance away from the apartment where here 3 under 4 year olds were in bed, I know a lot of the attitudes would be different

You can’t take kids away for one incident
Plus they were checking on them

A child was raped and killed on a sleep over one kidnapped raped and killed while playing outside in the street

If it wasn’t for a third party we wouldn’t be talking about this case

The little boy that got taken in the shopping centre, was his mum to blame for him getting killed because she didn’t have him glued to her side

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You can’t take kids away for one incident
Plus they were checking on them

A child was raped and killed on a sleep over one kidnapped raped and killed while playing outside in the street

If it wasn’t for a third party we wouldn’t be talking about this case

The little boy that got taken in the shopping centre, was his mum to blame for him getting killed because she didn’t have him glued to her side

How can you compare getting distracted in a Supermarket to leaving 3 virtual babies alone in an apartment while you went out drinking with your friends? Crazy. There are actual laws about leaving children that young alone like that

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How can you compare getting distracted in a Supermarket to leaving 3 virtual babies alone in an apartment while you went out drinking with your friends? Crazy. There are actual laws about leaving children that young alone like that

You word it to make it suit your agenda they were on holiday from memory the apartment was 150 metres from we’re they were sitting
And they were checking on them

They didn’t book a holiday and left the kids at home

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You word it to make it suit your agenda they were on holiday from memory the apartment was 150 metres from we’re they were sitting
And they were checking on them

They didn’t book a holiday and left the kids at home

I don't have an agenda, why would I want it to be her parents? I'm just looking at the evidence in front of me I would have to go and look this up again but iirc it was 150/200metres away "as the crow flies" but there was a swimming pool in between (where the unlocked patio door opened on to another major danger to leaving them alone at night) and you had to take a longer walk along the main road to actually get to the front door

[Beso]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You word it to make it suit your agenda they were on holiday from memory the apartment was 150 metres from we’re they were sitting
And they were checking on them

They didn’t book a holiday and left the kids at home

150 metres is obviously to far. Far to exhausting for one person to keep checking all night, perhaps that's why the mcannns had other non relative adults take their turn to check their private hotel room that their kids were alone in...



Couple of weirdos imo.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Liam-

They’re a middle class white couple, you can guarantee the kids would have been removed if they weren’t

Considering how high profile this case was, you would think the head of public prosecutions at the time all the evidence was coming into the light, may have been interested in ensuring that was at least looked into....



Hmmmm, I wonder who that could have been, probably the same inept groveling coward that refused to prosecute saville cause he didnt have enough proof.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

They’re a middle class white couple, you can guarantee the kids would have been removed if they weren’t

…I did read that it was also because it happened overseas and the children being left in the apartment as they were didn’t fit with what what would be illegal in Portugal in terms of any neglect charges…