[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

i mean Martina Navratilova also might've got both chromosomes, how masculine she looks


should we strip her of her titles while we're at it?

There's a difference between a woman that looks butch, to a woman that might be biologically male.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Excellent point and YES ..

She/he brutalised the ultra feminine Chris Evert time after time !!!


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Maybe Martina was just the better player tbf.

Just like how poor Raducanu has players that are better than her, unfortunately.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I don't think anyone is doing that. Talking about hormone levels ensuring a more level playing field isn't defining women by said hormones.

On the contrary, I've spent a lot of time on here advocating that women shouldn't be defined by their physical attributes. Many women on here disagree and are happy to be defined by their body parts and reproductive organs, which is sad to see as it feels quite reductive but each to their own.

Everyone gets defined by their physical attributes to some extent.

It's Human nature.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

There's a difference between a woman that looks butch, to a woman that might be biologically male.

Imane Khelif is biologically female

end of



muslims can't be trans, they just can't



my point was more that you just have women who have more muscle, masculine qualities


more examples: Williams sisters (Serena & Venus) as if they look any feminine

or Simona Halep, whom even underwent breast reduction surgery to enhance her performances on court



the only exception of a successful sportswoman in the tennis, Maria Sharapova i guess (but then again she used doping, and lets not go further into that)



Raducanu isn't that good of a player honestly, she's more an influencer sort of type



my current personal favourite Jessica Pegula, doesn't look too masculine for my liking, (she's quite HOT tbh, but that is my personal taste perhaps) her advantages are more coming from quite a good amount of wealth, which she cleverly invests into having her own hard court, clay court at her mansion in Florida + a lot of years in the doubles also made her the experienced player she is today, and she transitions that quite decently into her singles game, from lower ranked (below top 700 even) to the top 10 ranked she is today

+ passion for sports runs in the Pegula family, that also helps a lot

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Imane Khelif is biologically female

end of

incorrect

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

incorrect

says you


and i say otherwise, that's the fun thing of a free world, where we all have different opinions

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

says you


and i say otherwise, that's the fun thing of a free world, where we all have different opinions

The only fun thing in the free world is that the morons stilll facilitating this nonsense can be ridiculed by the more sane members of society.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

says you


and i say otherwise, that's the fun thing of a free world, where we all have different opinions

again

incorrect

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Imane Khelif is biologically female

end of



muslims can't be trans, they just can't



my point was more that you just have women who have more muscle, masculine qualities


more examples: Williams sisters (Serena & Venus) as if they look any feminine

or Simona Halep, whom even underwent breast reduction surgery to enhance her performances on court



the only exception of a successful sportswoman in the tennis, Maria Sharapova i guess (but then again she used doping, and lets not go further into that)



Raducanu isn't that good of a player honestly, she's more an influencer sort of type



my current personal favourite Jessica Pegula, doesn't look too masculine for my liking, (she's quite HOT tbh, but that is my personal taste perhaps) her advantages are more coming from quite a good amount of wealth, which she cleverly invests into having her own hard court, clay court at her mansion in Florida + a lot of years in the doubles also made her the experienced player she is today, and she transitions that quite decently into her singles game, from lower ranked (below top 700 even) to the top 10 ranked she is today

+ passion for sports runs in the Pegula family, that also helps a lot

Personally I hope that you're right, because it means that all of Khelif's fights were legit, which as someone that loves competitions I do want to see a fair contest, or as fair as humanly possible anyway.

And yeah Raducanu isn't the best Tennis player, but like with Birmingham City Football Club I will keep rooting for her to win major events.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Are you referring to Lia Thomas? She is the usual scapegoat used for an example of this.

Is it disproportionate at the top levels vs the overall levels, that's what I am asking? I can't see it is, there aren't swathes of professional athletes taking Gold medals at championships, it literally is just a few.

I'm not going to keep going on too much with this debate (it's going in circles, which is fine but a clear indication that there's nothing more to be gained from it either way) however I pedantically do have to pick this one up because it's just a baseline misunderstanding of statistics.

If the percentage of sports accolades won out of all women's sports is higher than the percentage of trans women in the general population, then that's statistical evidence of a category advantage. It doesn't matter if it's only a few. If it's a percentage that's disproportionate to the ratio in the whole population, then it's a statistically significant advantage. That's just plain basic scientific method.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Personally I hope that you're right

I refer the learned gentleman to the title of the thread

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Personally I hope that you're right, because it means that all of Khelif's fights were legit, which as someone that loves competitions I do want to see a fair contest, or as fair as humanly possible anyway.

And yeah Raducanu isn't the best Tennis player, but like with Birmingham City Football Club I will keep rooting for her to win major events.

Did you miss the post where the test was leaked and it is confirmed Kalief is biologically male, I dont think you did Mock.... but you are finding it hard to come to terms with the fact that the IOC completely ignored this and allowed women to be put in danger on live tv due to not caring about women and only caring about looking inclusive

[Zizu]

This ‘person’ was competing in men’s events two years earlier

Spoiler:

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[Zizu]

Spoiler:

Sharon Davies said

“They would never have put a female boxer up on the shoulders on the male coach. “

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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Did you miss the post where the test was leaked and it is confirmed Kalief is biologically male, I dont think you did Mock.... but you are finding it hard to come to terms with the fact that the IOC completely ignored this and allowed women to be put in danger on live tv due to not caring about women and only caring about looking inclusive

Is that test confirmed to be Khelif's?

Because tbh nowadays I never know what to believe when it comes to what the Media reports.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

I refer the learned gentleman to the title of the thread

So Khelif is actually Trans? Because I'm getting confused on if she's Trans or Intersex.

This is what I mean when I say that the Media makes it hard to know what the truth even is half of the time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

So Khelif is actually Trans? Because I'm getting confused on if she's Trans or Intersex.

This is what I mean when I say that the Media makes it hard to know what the truth even is half of the time.

trans is a thought and intersex is a condition

both are either male or female

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Is that test confirmed to be Khelif's?

Because tbh nowadays I never know what to believe when it comes to what the Media reports.

Why do you think he was banned by the WBO and why the ban was uncontested ...

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

I'm not going to keep going on too much with this debate (it's going in circles, which is fine but a clear indication that there's nothing more to be gained from it either way) however I pedantically do have to pick this one up because it's just a baseline misunderstanding of statistics.

If the percentage of sports accolades won out of all women's sports is higher than the percentage of trans women in the general population, then that's statistical evidence of a category advantage. It doesn't matter if it's only a few. If it's a percentage that's disproportionate to the ratio in the whole population, then it's a statistically significant advantage. That's just plain basic scientific method.

I understand that, but no stats have yet been provided.

The truth is, trans women, if they were at an insane advantage would DOMINATE their sport. They would win literally everything. That isn't happening. They might win the odd match or a swim or a game, or they might beat a record (records are being beaten all the time) but there is no trans woman continuously dominating their sport time after time after time. They win some and they lose lsome ike every other participant.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Maru

Women don't need anyone to redefine them. We know what we are lol. Nobody I've seen has asked others to advocate for them. We can advocate for ourselves.

Consider we're being instructed we should think of ourselves differently, but yet, we have to support the self-identification of other people with zero questions whatsoever. None of that makes any logical sense.

Not all women are the same as you and want the same as you. Not all women want to be defined by their body.

I'm not calling for redefinition, I'm calling for a relaxing of how women (in fact, people in general) are defined so women aren't pigeonholed by their uterus.

Nobody is asking you to think yourself differently, you can think of your womanhood how you want, but other women can too and if that isn't tied to their womb or their vagina then that's also fine was my point.

The only people instructing women how they should define themselves are people like JK Rowling and those supporting the Supreme Court ruling.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Why do you think he was banned by the WBO and why the ban was uncontested ...

Whines about people saying the word "cis" but calls someone who was born and raise female in a country that doesn't recognise trans people in any capacity "he" without seeing any actual evidence or proof... can't work out if that's dumb or just hateful or maybe it's both.

I'm done here.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

I understand that, but no stats have yet been provided.

The truth is, trans women, if they were at an insane advantage would DOMINATE their sport. They would win literally everything. That isn't happening. They might win the odd match or a swim or a game, or they might beat a record (records are being beaten all the time) but there is no trans woman continuously dominating their sport time after time after time. They win some and they lose lsome ike every other participant.

Have you not seen what’s happening on tje states ?

Loads of protests at sporting events across the country and its only gonna get worse now ..

The other ‘young ladies’ are refusing to even share the podium with them


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Whines about people saying the word "cis" but calls someone who was born and raise female in a country that doesn't recognise trans people in any capacity "he" without seeing any actual evidence or proof... can't work out if that's dumb or just hateful or maybe it's both.

I'm done here.

Tbh the reason I referred to him as a 'he' is due to you continually ignoring my requests to stop referring to cis women, cis men, we know what you mean we dont need the prefix, you dont care to accommodate me, so whats good for the goose etc and now who is whining? I could say its hateful or dumb or both to ignore female members requests to quit with the cis nonsense but you carried on anyway as you know best apparently

and what do you mean NO PROOF, so the WBO just banned on a whim did they?

[Nicky91]

there are no trans people in countries with islam as main religion

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

there are no trans people in countries with islam as main religion

How come you're quite accepting of that? Insisting we all accept it, but cutting Islam slack? Sounds like a double standard to me.