[BBXX]

While the stat of two thirds of trans women incarcerated are in there for sex crimes is pretty damning, we should remember stats also miss out huge swathes of context.

Firstly, rate of incarceration is not the same as rate of offending. It's said that around 68% of sexual assault crimes go unreported. Out of those that are reported, fewer than 2% result in a charge. Simply due to numbers, for the vast majority of these, the perpetrators will be men. As most women know, a man being prosecuted for rape or sexual assault is a long, drawn out process and also extremely rare.

Secondly, while prostitution is not in itself a sex crime, there are elements around it, like soliciting in a public place, which will count as a sexual offence. Trans women are more likely to solicit for sex due to issues gaining employment.

Thirdly, and connected to point 1, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that trans women are convicted at a higher rate. In fact, it's quite likely.

And lastly, trans people commit a lot less other crime in general than biological men and women, particularly violent crime.

All of this is likely to skew data significantly and so should be considered when seeing a stat such as that.

Below is a great site aggregating data from around the internet showing who exactly is in the news for crimes against children and what demographic they fall under. Makes for an interesting read. (It's US, but I can't see why a similar story wouldn't be here in the UK)

https://www.whoismakingnews.com/#who...real-predators

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Also by your own logic there’s only men and women so aren’t the trans women still men?

Yes, but they have pigeon holed themselves into a group. Which is why they have different statistics to men.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Cisgender males are overwhelmingly the perpetrators of violence against women and children in the UK. This is evidenced across all forms of VAWG, including domestic abuse, sexual assault, and child sexual abuse.

Not when you sort out the percentages though, when you do that per 100 of both groups, trans are overwhelmingly more dangerous when it comes to sexual violence.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Not when you sort out the percentages though, when you do that per 100 of both groups, trans are overwhelmingly more dangerous when it comes to sexual violence.

But by your logic they’re still men though.

[Jessica.]

So according to people in this thread trans women are only men when they're trying to get on with their lives, have rights, go to the bathroom, seek support, but if they act out by being violent or committing a sex crime then they ARE trans women because it further your agenda?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

But by your logic they’re still men though.

Obviously...but they get their own prison stats...we will have to live with that.

And you will have to call them men if you want your point to have any substance.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

Obviously...but they get their own prison stats...we will have to live with that.

And you will have to call them men if you want your point to have any substance.

I said by your logic. Your argument is torn to shreds by your own logic.

[Glenn.]

You can’t pick and choose when transgender people exist I’m afraid

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

I said by your logic. Your argument is torn to shreds by your own logic.

My argument is trans people commit more sexual violence than men(per capita, or whatever the word is) I didn't pigeon hole them, the world did, and you went along with it. I'm only following the statistics that have been made available by the government. The ones who pigeon holed them because of people like you shouting very loudly.

I don't disagree they are all men and the argument should fall apart. But it doesn't as long as the pigeon holes keep getting filled by you and the media. I didn't chose Trans. You and they did.

[Maru]

I like how citing statistics now comes to mean many members of the thread should now commit seppuku to restore order. See, this is why we can't have nice things.

It's a joke, y'all, please don't do anything drastic... nothing additional, anyway

[Zizu]

Interesting ??




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[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Interesting ??




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Sexual inversion is essentially what we would now describe as a form of transgenderism or being non-binary to a certain extent. It was used to describe those who outwardly presented as the gender they were assigned at birth but inside identified as the opposite gender. So think of it now as someone who identifies as trans but is yet to act upon it.

The issue with it back then was that is was used to explain same-sex attraction, effectively wiping out homosexuality.

Homosexuality was illegal, and so they ascribed gay men and lesbians as sexual inverts, effectively calling them heterosexuals because they basically said gay men were actually internally/mentally women and therefore were straight.

One issue we want to avoid nowadays is ensuring an effeminate gay teen isn't labelled trans when actually he's just a camp gay kid and the term sexual inverts was basically doing that as a blanket statement.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Sexual inversion is essentially what we would now describe as a form of transgenderism or being non-binary to a certain extent. It was used to describe those who outwardly presented as the gender they were assigned at birth but inside identified as the opposite gender. So think of it now as someone who identifies as trans but is yet to act upon it.

The issue with it back then was that is was used to explain same-sex attraction, effectively wiping out homosexuality.

Homosexuality was illegal, and so they ascribed gay men and lesbians as sexual inverts, effectively calling them heterosexuals because they basically said gay men were actually internally/mentally women and therefore were straight.

One issue we want to avoid nowadays is ensuring an effeminate gay teen isn't labelled trans when actually he's just a camp gay kid and the term sexual inverts was basically doing that as a blanket statement.

I looked it up as I heard the term ‘invert’ used in a tv series the other night


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[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I looked it up as I heard the term ‘invert’ used in a tv series the other night


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What did you find interesting about it?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by BBXX

What did you find interesting about it?

I was suggesting that others MAY find it interesting.. hence the question mark .


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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

So according to people in this thread trans women are only men when they're trying to get on with their lives, have rights, go to the bathroom, seek support, but if they act out by being violent or committing a sex crime then they ARE trans women because it further your agenda?

Transwomen are transwomen, whatever they're doing.