[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Oh hey!

covid pic?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, Marks & Spencer does not have a women's-only changing room policy; they
operate a gender-neutral policy allowing customers(MEN) to choose a
fitting room they prefer. The individual fitting rooms are private, lockable
cubicles located in both the women's and men's departments, but they are not
designated as exclusively for one gender. This policy has been in place since
2019 and allows customers(MEN) to use any fitting room they are most
comfortable with.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

covid pic?

Good times..shove a mask on to hide looking like a man, feel some tits.

Lucky buggers.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

No, Marks & Spencer does not have a women's-only changing room policy; they
operate a gender-neutral policy allowing customers(MEN) to choose a
fitting room they prefer. The individual fitting rooms are private, lockable
cubicles located in both the women's and men's departments, but they are not
designated as exclusively for one gender. This policy has been in place since
2019 and allows customers(MEN) to use any fitting room they are most
comfortable with.

This is correct, they have fitting rooms in both male and female departments and let either use either due to it being individual and lockable.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

covid pic?

A pic taken during covid, yes. Just of the fact some fittings rooms are labelled 'Women's' to counter your image and the insinuation men have their own spaces and women do not.

Just a quick google bought it up. I am not weird enough to go into M&S and start taking photos of changing rooms.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

A pic taken during covid of the fact some fittings rooms are labelled 'Women's' to counter your image and the insinuation men have their own spaces and women do not.

see above

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

see above

Yes I've replied.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BlueMum16 · 20/04/2025 11:17

M&S changing rooms I have been in have a locked door.

I really can't see the issue who is in the next one too me ��*♂️

Mine has curtains that don't "quite" close

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hemmissus · 25/04/2025 17:25

Looked at my local store - changing room has images of women at entrance and is in women's section of store but does not indicate it is for women. Just says Fitting Room. Same for the men's - images of men at entrance.

Don't know about lingerie section changing room. Suspect changing rooms are mixed sex despite mixed message.

[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling
It's time for women to vote with their wallets. If stores like M&S continue to flout the
Supreme Court ruling on women-only spaces, prioritising the wishes of men who want to
undress near, or help fit bras on teenage girls, a boycott seems appropriate.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling
It's time for women to vote with their wallets. If stores like M&S continue to flout the
Supreme Court ruling on women-only spaces, prioritising the wishes of men who want to
undress near, or help fit bras on teenage girls, a boycott seems appropriate.

Is she penning her next book? She’s literally making up stories. Tapped.

[Crimson Dynamo]

MARKS & Spencer has confirmed their bra fitting service is for customers and
staff who are “biological” women after a transgender row at a Scots store, it
can be revealed.

It comes amid the backlash over a trans employee leaving a teenager “freaked
out” after offering her help in the bra section at a store in Ayr.

They confirmed the statement referred to “biological female”.

Human Rights charity Sex Matters says the retailer has prioritised the “feelings
of men” over their female customers, who make up almost 60 per cent of their
customer base.

“No matter how well-intentioned, policies built on the falsehood that ‘trans
women are women’ inevitably compromise other people’s rights.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...gn=sharebarweb

[Cherie]

Pennys dropped as to who their customer base is

[Glenn.]

Is there any actual evidence the shop worker was transgender?
Does a woman being 6ft 2 mean they’re transgender now?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

No one gets lost in M&S. It's not an enchanted forest.

I don't know, I've been lost in there a few times.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Is she penning her next book? She’s literally making up stories. Tapped.

It's called Harry Potter And Hermoine's journey into M&S.

But seriously, I do like her Harry Potter stuff, I have got to do a rewatch of the Films eventually.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and they have sacked that far left hag Dawn French

Things are looking up for M & S

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Marks & Spencer has apologised to a mother for causing her teenage daughter “distress” after she was asked if she needed help by a transgender employee (Man) in its bra section.

The retailer said it was “truly sorry” after the mother complained that her 14-year-old daughter had felt uncomfortable when they were approached by a trans shop assistant in the lingerie area of the shop, where they were hoping to have a bra fitting.

Although the staff member was polite, the mother said she felt it was “completely inappropriate” for her daughter to be approached by a “biological male” in that section.

In a complaint to M&S, she told the retailer: “Imagine her horror, then, when the person to approach us and ask if we needed help was a transgender ‘woman’, ie, a biological male.

“This is obviously the case: he is at least 6ft 2in tall... My daughter recoiled, so I politely declined the offer and we left immediately. She was visibly upset and said she felt ‘freaked out’.”

The following day, an M&S customer service assistant replied, apologising for the incident.

“Thank you for reaching out to us and sharing your experience,” the email said. “We deeply regret the distress your daughter felt during her visit to our store.

Fiona McAnena, director of campaigns for the human rights charity Sex Matters, which campaigns for clarity about biological sex in law and life, said
“This is what happens when a business centres the feelings of men who identify as women, even at the expense of their own customers. It is entirely inappropriate for a man to approach a teenage girl in a lingerie department.

This happened a few weeks before the HIgh Court ruling
The mother argued that the retailer’s reply fell “significantly short of the response that was required to satisfy me that M&S takes seriously the safety and dignity of women and girls”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ra-department/

I just want to add that I hate Mannequins or anything like them.

Off-topic I know, but I felt that it had to be said.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

and they have sacked that far left hag Dawn French

Funny how you only care about misogyny when you can level the accusation at minorities.

Almost like you don't care about it at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So just like Summerhall Arts, Marks and Spencer has now backed down as soon
as they realised they would be hit in the pocket - certain "principles" seem to
go out the window rather quickly when it comes to 💰


Inclooshun only works if it makes money

[Glenn.]

The trans women has posted about her experience.

Hi, I am the transgender manager in M&S who has been written about in the papers and online recently. I want people to know what actually happened because there are so many lies in the articles.

About March/ April I was working a usual shift in the Fashion home and beauty department of the store, basically overseeing that everything was going well.

While I was taking bra returns from the till point and into the lingerie section of our store I saw on the walkway between lingerie and Menswear a lady and a teenage child looking confused/ for a colleague. I smiled, and said ‘Hi, can I help at all?’

The customer said ‘no thanks’ (or something to that effect, it was 4/5 months ago and I deal with a lot of customers) and left. I didn’t think anything of it and went to put the bras away.

I am not a trained bra fitter, nor do I want to be. Therefore I am not allowed to give any advice or take a bra measurement. I had zero intention of doing anything of the sort, I did assume they were looking for a bra fit appointment so if they hadn’t left, I would have called up the trained bra fitter on shift and directed them to her.

I said absolutely nothing that would show intent of me wanting to personally measure her teenage daughter’s chest.

I also want to say that everyone who I work with knows I am transgender, because I do have a very deep voice and I am quite tall (5”11 not 6”2) and every single person in my store is supportive and accepting of who I am, including my boss, the other managers, and every colleague in every part of the store. At times my workplace is the only safe space in my life which is a bit sad.

A couple weeks later, my boss calls me into her office and says she has received a complaint about this interaction. She had to make sure I did not give any bra fit advice which I did not (and the articles also say I did not too which is one of the only things that they got right). I got very upset because the customers complaint had systematically attacked every part of my being that I hate and cannot control, saying I had a ‘deep booming masculine voice’ and ‘extremely masculine facial features underneath my makeup’. My boss sent away the complaint saying I did nothing wrong and that she and the regional manager are on my side.

End of story, I hoped.

In between the time of the complaint and the first article being published I had gotten Facial Feminisation Surgery done, which again everyone was super supportive of (and everyone also loved the results and being part of the journey) They got me a box of chocolates and a card full of extremely thoughtful messages that I kept by my bedside in hospital. My Boss also got me a heart bracelet that I wear to work every day.

It was my first day back from holiday when my boss called me into her office and told me about the article written in the papers. She got emotional on my behalf which really touched me, said another manager had ripped up and thrown out all the papers with this article in it in our store, and that the regional manager was on his way to personally talk to me regarding this. He also brought a message of support from HIS boss too, the Scotland stores director who has also personally gotten in touch with me.

He clarified that the customer services department had issued an apology to the customer before they actually had the full story, and that the apology had been redacted once my boss and the regional manager set the record straight, saying any colleague can train to be a bra fitter and can work in any section of the store. However, the article writer did not say this, instead insinuating to everyone reading that M&S was not on my side when in fact the whole company is showing their absolute support to me.

I’d like to point out that neither the lingerie department nor the walkway between lingerie and menswear where I asked the customer if she needed any help are ‘Women only’ places. Men historically have been shopping in the lingerie department for their significant others for decades, and how would Men or anyone not identifying as a woman be able to reach the menswear section if it’s walkway was ‘Women only?’

At no point during any shift do I invade any ‘single sex spaces’: our fitting rooms are also gender neutral, and while my job entails me to check on the condition of the fitting rooms (basically if customers have left clothing lying on the floor/ left hangers) I certainly do NOT enter one that is occupied. My sole aim is to provide a clean, accessible area where customers can try on something that they’ve liked the look of.

As far as I’m aware, M&S have not restricted the bra fit service to ‘Women only’ both from a customer and a colleague point of view. Anybody in our store can be trained as a bra fitter, regardless of gender identity, and any customer who feels they would gain benefit from the service can book an appointment, regardless of gender identity. That is perhaps the biggest lie of the most recent article which has ruined my day off.

While it’s easy to go and file complaints against M&S for seemingly being ‘transphobic’, I can say that I have had nothing but an outpouring of support from everyone in the company, and this has not changed my position or the way any of my colleagues see me, people who have also shown incredible support to me during this time. The real enemy are tabloid newspapers twisting stories so that they can attack us, and spread hurtful information that just isn’t true while turning a profit.

M&S respects me as a trans woman, and most importantly, as the hard working, focussed, and customer-driven colleague that I am. ������

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The trans women has posted about her experience.

Hi, I am the transgender manager in M&S who has been written about in the papers and online recently. I want people to know what actually happened because there are so many lies in the articles.

About March/ April I was working a usual shift in the Fashion home and beauty department of the store, basically overseeing that everything was going well.

While I was taking bra returns from the till point and into the lingerie section of our store I saw on the walkway between lingerie and Menswear a lady and a teenage child looking confused/ for a colleague. I smiled, and said ‘Hi, can I help at all?’

The customer said ‘no thanks’ (or something to that effect, it was 4/5 months ago and I deal with a lot of customers) and left. I didn’t think anything of it and went to put the bras away.

I am not a trained bra fitter, nor do I want to be. Therefore I am not allowed to give any advice or take a bra measurement. I had zero intention of doing anything of the sort, I did assume they were looking for a bra fit appointment so if they hadn’t left, I would have called up the trained bra fitter on shift and directed them to her.

I said absolutely nothing that would show intent of me wanting to personally measure her teenage daughter’s chest.

I also want to say that everyone who I work with knows I am transgender, because I do have a very deep voice and I am quite tall (5”11 not 6”2) and every single person in my store is supportive and accepting of who I am, including my boss, the other managers, and every colleague in every part of the store. At times my workplace is the only safe space in my life which is a bit sad.

A couple weeks later, my boss calls me into her office and says she has received a complaint about this interaction. She had to make sure I did not give any bra fit advice which I did not (and the articles also say I did not too which is one of the only things that they got right). I got very upset because the customers complaint had systematically attacked every part of my being that I hate and cannot control, saying I had a ‘deep booming masculine voice’ and ‘extremely masculine facial features underneath my makeup’. My boss sent away the complaint saying I did nothing wrong and that she and the regional manager are on my side.

End of story, I hoped.

In between the time of the complaint and the first article being published I had gotten Facial Feminisation Surgery done, which again everyone was super supportive of (and everyone also loved the results and being part of the journey) They got me a box of chocolates and a card full of extremely thoughtful messages that I kept by my bedside in hospital. My Boss also got me a heart bracelet that I wear to work every day.

It was my first day back from holiday when my boss called me into her office and told me about the article written in the papers. She got emotional on my behalf which really touched me, said another manager had ripped up and thrown out all the papers with this article in it in our store, and that the regional manager was on his way to personally talk to me regarding this. He also brought a message of support from HIS boss too, the Scotland stores director who has also personally gotten in touch with me.

He clarified that the customer services department had issued an apology to the customer before they actually had the full story, and that the apology had been redacted once my boss and the regional manager set the record straight, saying any colleague can train to be a bra fitter and can work in any section of the store. However, the article writer did not say this, instead insinuating to everyone reading that M&S was not on my side when in fact the whole company is showing their absolute support to me.

I’d like to point out that neither the lingerie department nor the walkway between lingerie and menswear where I asked the customer if she needed any help are ‘Women only’ places. Men historically have been shopping in the lingerie department for their significant others for decades, and how would Men or anyone not identifying as a woman be able to reach the menswear section if it’s walkway was ‘Women only?’

At no point during any shift do I invade any ‘single sex spaces’: our fitting rooms are also gender neutral, and while my job entails me to check on the condition of the fitting rooms (basically if customers have left clothing lying on the floor/ left hangers) I certainly do NOT enter one that is occupied. My sole aim is to provide a clean, accessible area where customers can try on something that they’ve liked the look of.

As far as I’m aware, M&S have not restricted the bra fit service to ‘Women only’ both from a customer and a colleague point of view. Anybody in our store can be trained as a bra fitter, regardless of gender identity, and any customer who feels they would gain benefit from the service can book an appointment, regardless of gender identity. That is perhaps the biggest lie of the most recent article which has ruined my day off.

While it’s easy to go and file complaints against M&S for seemingly being ‘transphobic’, I can say that I have had nothing but an outpouring of support from everyone in the company, and this has not changed my position or the way any of my colleagues see me, people who have also shown incredible support to me during this time. The real enemy are tabloid newspapers twisting stories so that they can attack us, and spread hurtful information that just isn’t true while turning a profit.

M&S respects me as a trans woman, and most importantly, as the hard working, focussed, and customer-driven colleague that I am. ������

Tbh, it's a good response.

I'm interested to hear how the M&S high ups respond to this.

[Cherie]

While I was taking bra returns from the till point and into the lingerie section of our store I saw on the walkway between lingerie and Menswear a lady and a teenage child looking confused/ for a colleague. I smiled, and said ‘Hi, can I help at all?’

They were confused ... if this was two teenagers I might buy that, but not an adult woman and her daughter, also there seems to be an awful lot of managers involved in a minor complaint, I wonder if all complaints receive such attention

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean it reads like fan fiction the only bit he missed out was that every one clapped him. Its from Reddit so no idea if its true - if it is its revisionism at its finest

But the story isn't about him its about M&S and will continue to be about M&S

[Oliver_W]

Just imagine if that person had approached the girl after the FFS surgery, no-one would have ever known.