[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

the UK and knives
absolute madness

It's a lot harder for the UK to ban knives from society than it would be for the US to ban guns.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It's a lot harder for the UK to ban knives from society than it would be for the US to ban guns.

I would have to disagree. The last thing one would want to do after someone was just shot dead for expressing their free speech is to try to crack down on the rights of others to defend themselves in the rest of the country. That would go very poorly and we would find out actually it is in fact much harder to ban guns than it would be knives in the US because the political blow back would be immediate.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Maru

I would have to disagree. The last thing one would want to do after someone was just shot dead for expressing their free speech is to try to crack down on the rights of others to defend themselves in the rest of the country. That would go very poorly and we would find out actually it is in fact much harder to ban guns than it would be knives in the US because the political blow back would be immediate.

Timing would be important I do agree with you on that.

I was thinking more on America should slowly over the decades make it less of a societal norm for guns to be used in everyday life, kind of like how the UK has slowly phased Cigarettes out of regular use.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Timing would be important I do agree with you on that.

I was thinking more on America should slowly over the decades make it less of a societal norm for guns to be used in everyday life, kind of like how the UK has slowly phased Cigarettes out of regular use.

I don't see that happening for a number of reasons, much of which isn't even relevant atm. But especially now, as people are starting to become more self-aware about their own politics and are testing boundaries, some boundaries that the government and other individuals out in the wild seem very passionate about using as a justification to strip other's rights.

In the UK I understand the political environment is very different. But for us, it's considered a fundamental natural right and the most natural mandate as a citizen is very more closely tied to the means to self-defense. I would even guess it's a non-negotiable for much larger portions of the country than not.

We can talk about what restrictions and laws might come into play to help mitigate disaster (a different discussion), but an outright ban at this point isn't remotely conceivable. Especially as political violence is increasing. The whole point of 2A is exactly for politically dire situations like this where govt or agencies may use any context to repress or interfere with the individual rights of its citizens. Without making this post much longer, it's foundational to the formation of America.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Maru

I don't see that happening for a number of reasons, much of which isn't even relevant atm. But especially now, as people are starting to become more self-aware about their own politics and are testing boundaries, some boundaries that the government and other individuals out in the wild seem very passionate about using as a justification to strip other's rights.

In the UK I understand the political environment is very different. But for us, it's considered a fundamental natural right and the most natural mandate as a citizen is very more closely tied to the means to self-defense. I would even guess it's a non-negotiable for much larger portions of the country than not.

We can talk about what restrictions and laws might come into play to help mitigate disaster (a different discussion), but an outright ban at this point isn't remotely conceivable. Especially as political violence is increasing. The whole point of 2A is exactly for politically dire situations like this where govt or agencies may use any context to repress or interfere with the individual rights of its citizens. Without making this post much longer, it's foundational to the formation of America.

You do make strong points tbh.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Maru

I would have to disagree. The last thing one would want to do after someone was just shot dead for expressing their free speech is to try to crack down on the rights of others to defend themselves in the rest of the country. That would go very poorly and we would find out actually it is in fact much harder to ban guns than it would be knives in the US because the political blow back would be immediate.

Great post, Maru, and true.

There are at least a dozen countries with more firearms deaths per head of capita than the USA but never make the news and disarming them all is never discussed on here.