[arista]

Her big SUV
Blocked the Road - Her error


Keeping her car door locked - Her error


Tragic she had to die

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by arista

No, I can see how it went down
under the USA

So if you understand that it's not justifiable, why have all your posts been condemning the actions of the woman with a flippant 'shame she died'. Why have you not condemned the agents and their actions once? It's all just been about what she did to lead to her death.

You know what it reminds me of. What women are raped and someone says "But if she didn't wear this/walk there it wouldn't have happened.

As for those with wrong info
that is normal

Dude seriously, no. They're lying to your face and hoping you believe it. Trump referenced the VIDEO and lied about the contents, telling his followers something happened which didn't. He didn't have the wrong info. He referenced the video we've all seen. It's not a case of him not being informed properly.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by arista

Her big SUV
Blocked the Road - Her error

The full video shows her waving people through.

Keeping her car door locked - Her error

She was surrounded by 5 masked men with guns... what do you expect?

Intimidated a member of the public unjustifiably - his error
Stood in front of her car - his error
Pulled his gun unjustifiably - his error
Shot dead a woman without cause - his error

He went against everything officers are supposed to do, which lead to the death of a woman of which he then walked away and fled the scene. His colleagues then prevented doctors from adminstering medical care.

But yeh... she's in the wrong for not getting out of her care due to fear and panic.

[GiRTh]

ICE officers are not the same as local police. ICE’s authority is limited to immigration enforcement and detention for immigration‑related investigation — they are not empowered to command civilians in the same way that municipal or state police can during criminal incidents.

Because of that, she had no legal obligation to obey orders that fell outside ICE’s immigration remit.

Only local law‑enforcement officers have jurisdiction over criminal activity, and even then, the rules governing use of force are strict.

Simply running or attempting to flee is not, on its own, an offence that justifies the use of deadly force, even for local police.

[arista]

[She was surrounded by 5 masked men with guns... what do you expect?]

I would still say get out of her SUV


Arrest - Is far better than DEATH

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

ICE officers are not the same as local police. ICE’s authority is limited to immigration enforcement and detention for immigration‑related investigation — they are not empowered to command civilians in the same way that municipal or state police can during criminal incidents.

Because of that, she had no legal obligation to obey orders that fell outside ICE’s immigration remit.

Only local law‑enforcement officers have jurisdiction over criminal activity, and even then, the rules governing use of force are strict.

Simply running or attempting to flee is not, on its own, an offence that justifies the use of deadly force, even for local police.

Sure
But she would be alive today


America is at this stage these days

[GiRTh]

The point is that ICE is not trained to deal with the public, so why are they going around with masks on and without ID? Not only was this inevitable, but it will happen again unless the public is informed of ICE's remit, authority and jurisdiction, and, of course, that's not going to happen.

I wonder if her family are Trump-supporters because what if the victim's family goes on TV saying how they voted for Trump, etc, but now they lost a family member. This is terrible on so many levels.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by arista

Vanessa, you can still fly to Florida


It is a sad day
she had to die

She literally didn’t have to die.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by arista

Her big SUV
Blocked the Road - Her error


Keeping her car door locked - Her error


Tragic she had to die

She was literally letting them pass. Did you watch the video

[Liam-]

Welcome to America, where if you don’t obey illegal demands from random armed, violent masked men in the streets, you’ll get shot in the face multiple times and internet weirdos will completely justify it

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Welcome to America, where if you don’t obey illegal demands from random armed, violent masked men in the streets, you’ll get shot in the face multiple times and internet weirdos will completely justify it

Exactly this. ICE has no more authority over the public than a vigilante group.

[Maru]

[Parmy]

It's a mixture of the bloke in Liverpool driving through the crowds and that young Brazilian who jumped the tube barrier in London.

[arista]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ran-agent.html

[GiRTh]

The comment section is horrific, with comments about how if they had armed police, they'd comply. ICE, in this situation, has no more jurisdiction than, say, a neighbourhood watch. So if an armed neighbourhood watch orders someone out of the car, they'd just do it would they. Jeez

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Maru

It does look like he was slightly clipped as he leant over the bonnet to shoot her in the face ...after reaching for his gun before she was even pulling forward ...after stepping in front of her car for no reason.

Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.

Which he obviously could move out of the path of the vehicle because, well, he did. With one step backwards. Before he then shot her twice more as she drove past.

Even if it could be argued that the first shot was taken to protect his safety, the other two were not. And it's obvious to anyone she wasn't aiming at him when her tyres are pointed to do a sharp right away from them all.

Moments later they pulled a gun on a doctor who was wanting to help try and save her life. Some of them are just itching to shoot someone.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Deleted some posts in here, can I remind members to stick to discussing the topic and not forum members. Thank you

I can stick to topic.

My opinion about this woman is. Fook her. No sweat of my sac

[Alf]

She just didn't have the same dodging reactions to a bullet that Trump has. Now that guy knows how to dodge a bullet.

[Alf]

I identify as an arse-hole. And apparently, I should be encoureged and respected for identifying as whatever I want to.

So tell me how brave I am.

[Alf]

It's not easy identifying as an arse-hole. You recieve a lot of hate from bigots.

[Parmy]

Can't be nice when the piles arrive either, Alf.

[Maru]

Renee Nicole Good was Minneapolis ‘ICE Watch’ ‘warrior’ who trained to resist feds before shooting
https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/us-new...fore-shooting/

MINNEAPOLIS — Renee Nicole Good, the mom who was killed by a federal agent after veering her car toward him, was an anti-ICE “warrior” and was part of a group of activists who worked to “document and resist” the federal immigration crackdown in Minnesota, The Post can reveal.

Good, who moved to the city last year, linked up with the anti-ICE activists through her 6-year-old son’s woke charter school, which boasts that it puts “social justice first” and prioritizes “involving kids in political and social activism,” multiple local sources said.

“She was a warrior. She died doing what was right,” a mother named Leesa, whose child attends the same school, told The Post at a growing vigil where Good was killed Wednesday.

“I know she was doing the right thing. I watched the video plenty of times but I also know in my heart the woman she was, she was doing everything right.”

Good and her wife Rebecca, 40, were raising the boy together in the mostly working-class, activist-heavy neighborhood of south Minneapolis, which features tree-lined streets and a large number of homes with windows decked out in LGBTQ+ flags or signs depicting George Floyd.

Just as many others did in the lefty enclave, Good sent her son to Southside Family Charter School, a K-5 academy opened in 1972 which has from its inception been “unabashedly dedicated to social justice education,” according to co-founder Susie Oppenheim.

...

It used to be unthinkable for a civilian to try to attack or obstruct Federal Agents until politicians started to encourage it (See also: January 6th). Funny how that works.


I think this is relevant in a much broader way as it shows that people have become more reactive than proactive... especially behind a wheel

Aggressive driving is surging nationwide and road rage is rising, according to AAA
https://www.msn.com/en-us/public-saf...aa/ar-AA1T9PcD

Nearly every driver is now part of the problem

The most striking signal in the new research is how universal aggressive driving has become. In a major national survey, 96% of drivers reported engaging in aggressive driving or road rage behaviors at least once in the previous year, a figure highlighted in the study’s Key Findings. That same 96% share appears across multiple analyses of the data, underscoring that this is not a small, reckless minority but almost the entire driving public. When virtually everyone admits to speeding, tailgating, cutting others off, or making angry gestures, the baseline for what counts as “normal” driving shifts in a dangerous direction.

What stands out to me is that this near universal participation is mirrored by near universal exposure. New AAA research notes that 96% of drivers admit to driving aggressively and to being on the receiving end of aggression as well, which means the same people who feel victimized are often the ones escalating the tension. Coverage of the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety work reinforces that a staggering 96% of drivers in a new AAA Foundation for study acknowledged aggressive behaviors over the past year, confirming that the problem is not confined to any one region or demographic. When almost every driver is both actor and target, the line between “us” and “them” on the road effectively disappears.

I can speak from personal experience this problem has gotten so bad that I don't drive unless I have to as it's become much more dangerous. Edit: Imo, people have become more easily reactive thanks to a culture of grievance and when people go behind a wheel, they can easily believe they're invincible. And it's 100% it's everyone doing it now with both sometimes being the aggressor, which makes it difficult to resolve and encourages riskier behavior. It's not something I really see in average interactions, just behind the wheel...

[arista]

2 other people were Shot in Portland
by Ice Agents , again.


All Media

[Maru]

Originally Posted by arista

2 other people were Shot in Portland
by Ice Agents , again.


All Media

Border Patrol/CBP, not ICE.

Border Patrol agents shot 2 people in East Portland during 'targeted traffic stop,' DHS says
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/cri...1-5e536152e532

According to a statement from the Portland Police Bureau, officers responded at 2:18 p.m. to Southeast Main Street near I-205, the location of Adventist Health Portland, for a report of the shooting. Officers confirmed at the scene that federal agents were involved in the shooting, which happened in the hospital parking lot.

At 2:24 p.m., police learned that a man who had been shot was calling to request help near Northeast 146th Avenue and East Burnside. Portland police officers responded and found a man and a woman with apparent gunshot wounds.

PPB said they applied a tourniquet and called for emergency medical assistance. Both patients were taken to the hospital, and PPB said their conditions are unknown. Police confirmed they were connected to the shooting involving federal agents.

Police have secured both scenes for an investigation. East Burnside was closed westbound between Northeast 145th Avenue and 148th Avenue while investigators went over the scene.

"We are still in the early stages of this incident," said Chief Bob Day. "We understand the heightened emotion and tension many are feeling in the wake of the shooting in Minneapolis, but I am asking the community to remain calm as we work to learn more."

In a statement, DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin said that both of the people shot were affiliated with the gang Tren de Aragua:

“At 2:19 PST, U.S. Border Patrol agents were conducting a targeted vehicle stop in Portland, Oregon. The passenger of the vehicle and target is a Venezuelan illegal alien affiliated with the transnational Tren de Aragua prostitution ring and involved in a recent shooting in Portland. The vehicle driver is believed to be a member of the vicious Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua. When agents identified themselves to the vehicle occupants, the driver weaponized his vehicle and attempted to run over the law enforcement agents.

[emseateng2014]

there was meltdowns from both sides in the usa political universe

the right wingers were having 24 7 meltdowns about a woman almost killing the ice storm troopers with a car

while the left wingers were having meltdowns about the ice storm troopers killing a woman