[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There's a balance in there somewhere, violence is not the answer here, actual proper parenting would help. These kids obviously aren't worried about any repercussions when they get home if they are badly behaved or disrespectful to the teachers.

I remember having a conversation with you about smacking. I said it was fine as long as it wasn't hard and didn't amount to beating. Because I was smacked, and I adore my parents who always seemed more distressed at smacking me that I did being smacked. But since I've had kids, I have never once smacked them. I changed my mind completely. And what's more, there are far more effective ways of punishing them, more far reaching consequences. Like I said, my kids aren't angels, but they're not bad kids, and if I found they'd been misbehaving at school, especially if they'd been violent, the punishment wouldn't be left to the school and they are fully aware of that.

What I'm trying to say is, okay Niamh, you were right, I admit it... lol

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

So kids who's parents are not disciplining them are acting violently at school.

Locked away playing GTAV when they get home probably. Free from the threat of meaningful punishment. Free to act out violent fantasies these games cause to the immature mind.


Get the slipper on their arses. Make them think twice.

This is just made up rubbish.

Games did not break kids. GTAV did not turn a generation feral. If it did, every adult under 40 would be in prison by now.

Kids act out because life is messy. Bad homes. Stress. No support. Smacking them does nothing except add fear to the pile.

The slipper is not discipline. It is an adult losing patience and swinging. That is not teaching. That is giving up.

You want them to think twice. Fear does not make kids think. It makes them lie, hide, and get better at not being caught.

This whole take is lazy. Blame games. Blame kids. Avoid fixing the real problems. Easier to hit than to parent, right.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Moston and Duckinfield and majorly under deprived areas and rough. This doesn't surprise me sadly.

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I have things thrown at me daily but that’s bc I work with the kids who have the behaviour problems. I love what I do, but it’s not for the weak. (Not that I’m strong but you have to be able to take insults and laugh them off.)

I will say this tho, I’ve worked with kids for almost two decades (I wanna throw up that makes me sound so old) and behaviour of children these days is worse than it’s ever been. Kids have no respect and are so incredibly entitled. They know that they can do what they want and have next to no punishment because their parents do not care. They just see school as day care and then when their kids come home they are just handed an iPad or tablet or some kind of technology so they don’t bother their parents. Something 100% needs to change. Parents should be held accountable, but they don’t care enough. Here they will just ship a badly behaved student from school to school which solves nothing

…yeah at Caitlin and your first paragraph, one of the things that I had thrown at me quite a few years ago was baby Jesus from the Nativity display, I’ve dodged many missile attacks but quite a few have landed their target, also…what I will say to add to your experiences, though…and this connects to what Annie has said, I be not worked in schools in hugely deprived areas though so I expect that the experiences of school staff there are entirely different to my own…one of the primary schools in the article references pupils bringing knives into school…Behaviour Officers are something that I’ve worked with and with a huge amount of effectiveness because they don’t just work with the child and address the behaviour issues, they work with the family and with any other social services that might be involved…the Behavioural officer in our school has always been tremendous, probably the outright most respected staff member by the pupils and by families also…(…as well as the school staff…)…sadly though, the funding is always going to be the issue and lack of funding and investment in deprived area schools in particular is really just letting our governments letting those children and families down…again…and again…

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember having a conversation with you about smacking. I said it was fine as long as it wasn't hard and didn't amount to beating. Because I was smacked, and I adore my parents who always seemed more distressed at smacking me that I did being smacked. But since I've had kids, I have never once smacked them. I changed my mind completely. And what's more, there are far more effective ways of punishing them, more far reaching consequences. Like I said, my kids aren't angels, but they're not bad kids, and if I found they'd been misbehaving at school, especially if they'd been violent, the punishment wouldn't be left to the school and they are fully aware of that.

What I'm trying to say is, okay Niamh, you were right, I admit it... lol

The thing is people seem to equate not smacking your kids with not disciplining your kids.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

This is just made up rubbish.

Games did not break kids. GTAV did not turn a generation feral. If it did, every adult under 40 would be in prison by now.

Kids act out because life is messy. Bad homes. Stress. No support. Smacking them does nothing except add fear to the pile.

The slipper is not discipline. It is an adult losing patience and swinging. That is not teaching. That is giving up.

You want them to think twice. Fear does not make kids think. It makes them lie, hide, and get better at not being caught.

This whole take is lazy. Blame games. Blame kids. Avoid fixing the real problems. Easier to hit than to parent, right.

Says man with no kids to man with kids.


Sorry, you are wrong. Kids will never experience the naturally found joys a pre internet mobile phone kid had. And that includes a well tanned arse in adult hood.


The modern world is a shambles because of ex pampered kids, who are now grown as adults who turn to mum and dad when things go tits up with their kids.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Says man with no kids to man with kids.


Sorry, you are wrong. Kids will never experience the naturally found joys a pre internet mobile phone kid had. And that includes a well tanned arse in adult hood.


The modern world is a shambles because of ex pampered kids, who are now grown as adults who turn to mum and dad when things go tits up with their kids.

That argument is tired.

You do not need to have kids to know hitting them is wrong. That is basic human stuff, not a parents only secret.

I have nieces and nephews. I am around kids. I see what helps and what messes them up. You do not need to give birth to understand harm.

Having kids does not magically make your opinions smarter. It just means you had sex and kept the result. Plenty of parents get it badly wrong.

The tanned arse is grim. You were hit and now you want to dress it up as character building which isn’t wisdom. That is how you’re dealing with it.

And blaming everything on pampered kids is lazy. Every generation whines that the next one is ruined.

My opinion is not irrelevant. Yours just leans on nostalgia instead of facts. And nostalgia is not an argument.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The thing is people seem to equate not smacking your kids with not disciplining your kids.

And people seem to think putting them on the naughty step is disciplining them.

My dad never once smacked me, but I knew that I could be smacked if I stepped to far. That deterent in place made me think twice before causing trouble. I've never been arrested or in trouble in my life, because I was brought up knowing that doing wrong is a bad thing with harsh punishment.

If my punishment was a trip to the naughty step, there's a good chance I would have turned out a wrong en'

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

That argument is tired.

You do not need to have kids to know hitting them is wrong. That is basic human stuff, not a parents only secret.

I have nieces and nephews. I am around kids. I see what helps and what messes them up. You do not need to give birth to understand harm.

Having kids does not magically make your opinions smarter. It just means you had sex and kept the result. Plenty of parents get it badly wrong.

The tanned arse is grim. You were hit and now you want to dress it up as character building which isn’t wisdom. That is how you’re dealing with it.

And blaming everything on pampered kids is lazy. Every generation whines that the next one is ruined.

My opinion is not irrelevant. Yours just leans on nostalgia instead of facts. And nostalgia is not an argument.

What's your answer then?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

What's your answer then?

Was pretty obvious I think. Maybe you didn’t understand.

Good parents think. Bad parents swing and call it experience.

Having kids does not make you wise. It just means no one stepped in.

[Alf]

I'd take a smacked arse over a day in prison or a borstal or a bad kids School 100 times out of 100

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Was pretty obvious I think. Maybe you didn’t understand.

Good parents think. Bad parents swing and call it experience.

Having kids does not make you wise. It just means no one stepped in.

I meant to stop all the violence from primary school kids on teachers, fellow pupils and general classroom furniture. Which wasn't as previlant before the influx of foreign asylum seekers back in 2012, so what's your solution to teach the parents of any child comitting these acts that these acts are wrong, and then if they just flat out refuse to listen. Then what's your solution for the child, how will you stop them acting up again?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Parmy

I meant to stop all the violence from primary school kids on teachers, fellow pupils and general classroom furniture. Wasn't as previlant before the influx of foreign asylum seekers back in 2012, so what's your solution to teach the parents of any child commuting these acts that these acts are wrong, and then if the just flat out reguse to listen then what's your solution for the child, how will you stop them acting up again?

Imagine being a teacher and attempting to discipline a kid that's not White. You'd be called all the names in the World. And Glenn would join in.

[Alf]

We've alrwady seen teachers have to go into hiding in this country.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

I meant to stop all the violence from primary school kids on teachers, fellow pupils and general classroom furniture. Which wasn't as previlant before the influx of foreign asylum seekers back in 2012, so what's your solution to teach the parents of any child comitting these acts that these acts are wrong, and then if they just flat out refuse to listen. Then what's your solution for the child, how will you stop them acting up again?

You already had a post pulled for dragging migrants into this. And here you are doing it again. Predictable.

Violence did not arrive in 2012 and it did not come from asylum seekers. That is you dodging the point because you have no answer.

The answer is boring and proven. Support families. Remove violent kids from class. Specialist support.

But yeah, let’s blame asylum seekers instead of being better parents

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Imagine being a teacher and attempting to discipline a kid that's not White. You'd be called all the names in the World. And Glenn would join in.

This constant need to turn everything into a race panic is boring. Its what people do when their argument has collapsed.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'd take a smacked arse over a day in prison or a borstal or a bad kids School 100 times out of 100

What is prison if not a naughty step for adults?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

That argument is tired.

You do not need to have kids to know hitting them is wrong. That is basic human stuff, not a parents only secret.

I have nieces and nephews. I am around kids. I see what helps and what messes them up. You do not need to give birth to understand harm.

Having kids does not magically make your opinions smarter. It just means you had sex and kept the result. Plenty of parents get it badly wrong.

The tanned arse is grim. You were hit and now you want to dress it up as character building which isn’t wisdom. That is how you’re dealing with it.

And blaming everything on pampered kids is lazy. Every generation whines that the next one is ruined.

My opinion is not irrelevant. Yours just leans on nostalgia instead of facts. And nostalgia is not an argument.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

This constant need to turn everything into a race panic is boring. Its what people do when their argument has collapsed.

I'm afraid that as long as there's racists like you around, the conversation is gonna be on that level.

Why are you a racist?

Because you believe that non European Whites deserve different treatment to European Whites.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You already had a post pulled for dragging migrants into this. And here you are doing it again. Predictable.

Violence did not arrive in 2012 and it did not come from asylum seekers. That is you dodging the point because you have no answer.

The answer is boring and proven. Support families. Remove violent kids from class. Specialist support.

But yeah, let’s blame asylum seekers instead of being better parents

Remove the violent kid whose had violence on him at home? Is that fair?


It certainly wasn't regarding the violent asylum seeker kid in the Tommy robinson documentary. He wasn't removed, he was free to carry a knife to school and bully younger pupils, as well as threatening 13 year old with rape.

Only person who got thrown out of school was that girls brother who lashed out in a playground fight to his sister's protagonist.



I'm well aware my post got pulled. The truth may hurt some people.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm afraid that as long as there's racists like you around, the conversation is gonna be on that level.

Why are you a racist?

Because you believe that non European Whites deserve different treatment to European Whites.

You dragged race into a conversation about discipline. Then you pretended everyone else did. That is projection.

Equal treatment means the same rules for every kid. No hitting. No excuses. No special violence for anyone. You are the only one arguing for different treatment.

Calling out racism does not make someone racist. It just makes you uncomfortable.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Remove the violent kid whose had violence on him at home? Is that fair?


It certainly wasn't regarding the violent asylum seeker kid in the Tommy robinson documentary. He wasn't removed, he was free to carry a knife to school and bully younger pupils, as well as threatening 13 year old with rape.

Only person who got thrown out of school was that girls brother who lashed out in a playground fight to his sister's protagonist.



I'm well aware my post got pulled. The truth may hurt some people.

Kids who experience violence at home need support, not punishment. Removing them from class is about safety, not blame. You know that.

Dragging migrants into every reply does not make your point stronger. It just shows you cant argue without a scapegoat.

And no, your post was not pulled because it was brave. It was pulled because it was off topic and lazy. Just because it’s your truth it doesn’t magically make it true. The way you’ve been proven wrong today is proof of that.

[Parmy]

Ask yourself why the staff are going on strike.

It's cause they can't do anything about it.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You dragged race into a conversation about discipline. Then you pretended everyone else did. That is projection.

Equal treatment means the same rules for every kid. No hitting. No excuses. No special violence for anyone. You are the only one arguing for different treatment.

Calling out racism does not make someone racist. It just makes you uncomfortable.

I think I had a fair point. That teacher that went into hiding, went into hiding because of a issue brought on by a different ethnicity, it's certainly not a British trait for teachers going into hiding. And teachers welfare is in the title of this thread.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Kids who experience violence at home need support, not punishment. Removing them from class is about safety, not blame. You know that.

Dragging migrants into every reply does not make your point stronger. It just shows you cant argue without a scapegoat.

And no, your post was not pulled because it was brave. It was pulled because it was off topic and lazy. Just because it’s your truth it doesn’t magically make it true. The way you’ve been proven wrong today is proof of that.

Proven wrong by what!


Absolute nonsense of the first degree



Come on...why do you think the staff are refusing to work?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Ask yourself why the staff are going on strike.

It's cause they can't do anything about it.

It is because they have no support, no resources, and no backup when serious behaviour kicks off.

Pretty obvious if you actually stop and think about it instead of blaming immigrants. A stretch I know, but I believe in you.