[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

It is because they have no support, no resources, and no backup when serious behaviour kicks off.

Pretty obvious if you actually stop and think about it instead of blaming immigrants. A stretch I know, but I believe in you.

It's because they don't have a belt in the top drawer, any idiot should be able to see that.

[Parmy]

Act like a dick in school, especially bullies..Then the humiliation of 3 on each hand should be enough to stop the most feral.l 12 year olds.

[BBXX]

Adults hitting children as punishment is for the emotionally stunted.

Petition for everyone to get some therapy at some point in their life.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

It's because they don't have a belt in the top drawer, any idiot should be able to see that.

You have circled the drain back to hitting kids and blaming migrants. That is it. That is all you have.

Get therapy.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You have circled the drain back to hitting kids and blaming migrants. That is it. That is all you have.

Get therapy.

Cause that's the truth.

See ya there.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Adults hitting children as punishment is for the emotionally stunted.

Petition for everyone to get some therapy at some point in their life.

Therapy from who...some box ticked idiot reading from a script.

Get ****ed with that.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Cause that's the truth.

See ya there.

That is not truth. It is you giving up.

When all you have left is hitting kids, you have nothing worth saying.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Therapy from who...some box ticked idiot reading from a script.

Get ****ed with that.

It’s okay to say you don’t know how anything about how therapy works.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

That is not truth. It is you giving up.

When all you have left is hitting kids, you have nothing worth saying.

Kids worth hitting, Glenn.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Adults hitting children as punishment is for the emotionally stunted.

Petition for everyone to get some therapy at some point in their life.

Therapists are there purely to make money. A parent makes no money for smacking their child, infact it hurts them to do it.

So of course therepy is pushed more as morally right if there's money to be made.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by BBXX

It’s okay to say you don’t know how anything about how therapy works.

I know it doesn't work for 73 percent of people in therapy.

Infact 58 percent of suicides are done by people in therapy

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

Kids worth hitting, Glenn.

You are not smart enough to think past violence, and you clearly failed at the job you are most defensive about. Parenting.

People who raise kids well do not fantasise about hitting them. People who failed do.

[Parmy]

I've never hit a child in my life, been hit many times.

My problem is I was hit for nothing more than being loud in front of my exhausted parents after a hard days work for them.

Do I feel bitter about that as an adult, yes. Yes I do. Did it make me violent as an adult to my kids. No, no it didnt, it made me the opposite, it made me look and find alternative punishments. But that's what it is though, a.punishment, and a kid feels humiliation when punished, no matter what the punishment is.



I didn't go around disrupting in school, I only got the belt once, and that was for refusing to do lines when I missed the Saturday rugby match cause I had hand marks that were now welts all down my legs.


It's a cycle.. we have reached the end of the cycle now where hard punishment changed the future adults into soft publishers, and now those school kids of theirs are the ones causing havoc in schools...Cause there's no comeback..

The, my mates a janitor at the high school and he tried to stop a kid running wild in the corridors and just got told to shut up you specky old ****. He couldn't do nothing.


Time to restart the cycle. That's all my opinion is. Cause this mollicoddling ain't working.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

I've never hit a child in my life, been hit many times.

My problem is I was hit for nothing more than being loud in front of my exhausted parents after a hard days work for them.

Do I feel bitter about that as an adult, yes. Yes I do. Did it make me violent as an adult to my kids. No, no it didnt, it made me the opposite, it made me look and find alternative punishments. But that's what it is though, a.punishment, and a kid feels humiliation when punished, no matter what the punishment is.



I didn't go around disrupting in school, I only got the belt once, and that was for refusing to do lines when I missed the Saturday rugby match cause I had hand marks that were now welts all down my legs.


It's a cycle.. we have reached the end of the cycle now where hard punishment changed the future adults into soft publishers, and now those school kids of theirs are the ones causing havoc in schools...Cause there's no comeback..

The, my mates a janitor at the high school and he tried to stop a kid running wild in the corridors and just got told to shut up you specky old ****. He couldn't do nothing.


Time to restart the cycle. That's all my opinion is. Cause this mollicoddling ain't working.

You literally just proved the point.

You were hit. It hurt you. You are still angry about it. And now you want to restart the cycle anyway.

You even admit you found better punishments. That already kills your own argument. If alternatives worked, the belt was never needed.

Fear kept you quiet. Quiet is not healthy. It is just kids learning to shut up and cope later. Plenty of them do not cope.

The janitor story is about schools having no backup, not about kids needing to be hit. Smacking kids would not magically fix broken systems.

Restarting the cycle is just code for repeating harm because you are frustrated.

[Parmy]

I disagree.

Fear didn't keep me quiet.

I often had a sore leg for being loud. From the ages of about 7 to 14

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

I disagree.

You did. With yourself

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

And people seem to think putting them on the naughty step is disciplining them.

My dad never once smacked me, but I knew that I could be smacked if I stepped to far. That deterent in place made me think twice before causing trouble. I've never been arrested or in trouble in my life, because I was brought up knowing that doing wrong is a bad thing with harsh punishment.

If my punishment was a trip to the naughty step, there's a good chance I would have turned out a wrong en'

You're the one who mentioned naughty steps not me

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You're the one who mentioned naughty steps not me

Fair point well made.

But in my defence, the naughty step was the next big thing after corporal punishment. So I see that as the alternative stance.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You did. With yourself

You can shout all you want, your way has led to where we are now, which is again talking about violence in schools.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

You can shout all you want, your way has led to where we are now, which is again talking about violence in schools.

No shouting here

And no it has not.

Violence in schools comes from underfunding, no support, and adults giving up. Not from kids not being hit.

Your way was tried for decades. It produced trauma and angry adults who still think belts are ideas.

You are blaming the present because you cannot admit the past failed.

[Dogeatdog]

If there’s kids in schools that are throwing furniture, physically abusing teachers and being caught carrying knives into schools then I feel like there needs to be some serious investigation as to what is going on at home because behaviour like this is not normal at all.

There should be serious consequences for kids or the parents of these kids that are carrying knives into schools as it’s a criminal offence and it’s imposing a serious danger to the other pupils and staff in the school.

[Maru]

They don't bother to strike here. They just quit. The problems are so universal a strike won't fix that.

[Alf]

You look at pretty much any animal behaviour and the parent will always give their youngster a slap if it steps too far (but it would still die for its children). Most animals know that it's a natural method in teaching discipline. But the human animals have radicals that think they know better.

[Parmy]

When the belt and lines etc got stopped it was because someone shouted there are better ways to do this, and better ways to do that. Yet here we are now talking about stuff that never used to be a thing. I bet the posh MP shouting the loudest for change was bullied at private school by people less intelligent than they were. So If we are to claim it's the better way then what the hell is causing this?

Only difference now is the influx of people 40 years behind the UK and its morality compass.

That is why it's important to mention those people, because in the main it is they who are causing the statistics.

The teachers can do nothing about it for fear of what the left wing has thrust upon anyone that dares mention or reacts negatively towards these attacks, and that is why they are striking.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Parmy

When the belt and lines etc got stopped it was because someone shouted there are better ways to do this, and better ways to do that. Yet here we are now talking about stuff that never used to be a thing. I bet the posh MP shouting the loudest for change was bullied at private school by people less intelligent than they were.

Only difference now is the influx of people 40 years behind the UK and its morality compass.

That is why it's important to mention those people, because in the main it is they who are causing the statistics.

You are just piling myths on top of each other now.

Belts did not stop because of some posh MP having a tantrum. They stopped because hitting kids is cruel, lazy, and does not work. That is why every serious system dropped it.

The idea that everything was fine before that is fantasy. Violence existed. Abuse existed. It was just hidden better and kids were too scared to speak.

What changed is not discipline. What changed is support disappearing. Fewer staff. Bigger classes. No specialist provision. No backup when things go wrong. That is where the problem is.

And then you slide back to blaming migrants. Again. With no data. Just resentment. Saying those people does not make it analysis. It makes it obvious.

If migrants were the cause, the stats would clearly show it. They don’t. You just like the story because it lets you avoid harder answers.