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[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Right

Forget about ‘all their Christmases’ and celebrations and parties (wherever that came from)

I just feel that all the girl’s relatives will be extremely happy that the evil scumbag is dead not just relieved …

Yeah, but not to that extent. It still doesn’t bring the poor parents’ kids back to life. And that’s painful for anyone to deal with.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

Yeah, but not to that extent. It still doesn’t bring the poor parents’ kids back to life. And that’s painful for anyone to deal with.

Nobody said anything about bringing the kids back to life to be fair .. certainly not me


The parents have been in pain since the moment they got the dreadfully news .. but today I would imagine that they will feel amazing or ecstatic especially knowing how he painful his death was ..

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Nobody said anything about bringing the kids back to life to be fair .. certainly not me


The parents have been in pain since the moment they got the dreadfully news .. but today I would imagine that they will feel amazing or ecstatic especially knowing how he painful his death was ..

Amazing or ecstatic is not how I’d put it, Zizu. I think you’re overestimating their happiness to hear this news. It does nothing for the actual grief itself. It doesn’t solve the real problem. You may argue that he got what he deserved, but I don’t think the parents are gonna blow balloons and have a manic champagne-party about it. I’m not even sure where your impression of them being almost reverse-sadistically overjoyed to hear that their kids’ killer has been killed is even coming from in the first place. Why would you think that?

[GoldHeart]

Plus seeing his ugly mug front page ,I don't think the parents ever want to see his image ever again!, despite the fact he's dead now .

[Livia]

I can only imagine what the parents of those girls went through, what he put them through. If it had been my daughter I'd be celebrating his death. Hell isn't hot enough for that ****er.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

Amazing or ecstatic is not how I’d put it, Zizu. I think you’re overestimating their happiness to hear this news. It does nothing for the actual grief itself. It doesn’t solve the real problem. You may argue that he got what he deserved, but I don’t think the parents are gonna blow balloons and have a manic champagne-party about it. I’m not even sure where your impression of them being almost reverse-sadistically overjoyed to hear that their kids’ killer has been killed is even coming from in the first place. Why would you think that?

Call it intuition

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can only imagine what the parents of those girls went through, what he put them through. If it had been my daughter I'd be celebrating his death. Hell isn't hot enough for that ****er.

I didn’t want to hear all the gory details the fact that he’d murdered two young inner girls just enraged me

[Redway]

I have no sympathy for the man himself. I just don’t see how much good it’ll do to the victims left behind (the parents/broader family). And it’s a very odd insinuation to make that they’ll be ecstatic. It’s not exactly a selling-point call for celebration, and it’s bizarre that anyone would suggest otherwise out of thin air. The math ain’t mathing, is it?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

I had no sympathy for the man himself. I just don’t see how much good it’ll do to the victims left behind (the parents/broader family). And it’s a very odd insinuation to make that they’ll be ecstatic.

That’s just your opinion though and that’s ok

I just don’t see them going about their daily lives as any normal day that’s why I think they’ll all be on cloud nine

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

That’s just your opinion though and that’s ok

I just don’t see them going about their daily lives as any normal day that’s why I think they’ll all be on cloud nine

I really don’t think they will be, but okay. Quite a blinkered point of view but, again, okay.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Zizu

It ends by killing evil people .. pretty simple really but on these modern times we’d rather give extremely lenient sentences to murderers then when they are released ( full of hate ) they often kill another innocent person

But hey ho … who cares about the innocent

What is "evil" though? That's too subjective with minor offences included which again raises the issue of where does it end? How evil deserves death?

I do agree that it's a problem that money goes towards keeping them alive but that's a whole other issue I guess

[thesheriff443]

The death of a killer is just another chapter in a book that has no happy ending

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

I really don’t think they will be, but okay. Quite a blinkered point of view but okay.

I could say yours ( and a few others) are blinkered views

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I could say yours ( and a few others) are blinkered views

You’re just not seeing the social reality of what these people’s experiences are likely to be in connection with this chapter. And if you can’t see that, you really need to gain some perspective. No-one’s turning cartwheels just because a killer got killed himself.

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I really don’t think they will be, but okay. Quite a blinkered point of view but okay.

Yeah, much as I abhor the likes of Huntley and think he was totally deserving of death, it's not so easy to pinpoint exactly how his victims' families might feel or think they should feel about his grisly end. Just as a point of example, there exists the possibility that his death might, in some grimly dark fashion, make the grieving families feel that his victims' memories are now on the way to being 'consigned' to history along with him. Not just something that happened, but something that happened. In a horrific kind of sense, Huntley's continued survival behind bars making its way into the press every now and again was also serving to help keep the memory of the two girls alive within the popular consciousness. Potentially, from the perspective of his victims' families, now that he's gone for good, so too is the memory of his victims closer down the road to being forgotten. Obviously I'm not saying that this is how they absolutely feel, I'm just illustrating that it's not all black and white that the killer having met a suitably gruesome end will be of any real comfort to the families or a definite cause for celebration. Disturbingly, it might even serve as a revival of their grief.

[Maru]

We don't know how anyone will ultimately feel, but I imagine it's going to at least have to involve some reprocessing the original murders and grief, which is not fun whatever the reason behind that. Then the fun part where they get see their kids faces or names being posted all over the media again. The high profile bits absolutely complicate the grief process.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by caprimint

What is "evil" though? That's too subjective with minor offences included which again raises the issue of where does it end? How evil deserves death?

I do agree that it's a problem that money goes towards keeping them alive but that's a whole other issue I guess

I used to be for the death penalty and vigilante justice years ago to be brutally honest.

But I think that my main issue with it as I've got older, in what's meant to be a more "democratic” society, is that a completely innocent person could be accused of murder and then face Vigilante justice.

I know that's not the case with Ian Huntley, but we can't make exceptions to the law, otherwise we have a broken society.

[Ammi]

…it’s so impossible to imagine the complexities of emotions that the parents of Holly and Jessica are feeling right now and just thank the Lord for that, that we can’t imagine it…they’ll never have to face a possibility of him ever walking free again and that must be such a relief …I read that his name was never spoken in their home and neither was the name of Maxine Carr, who obviously has a new identity and a new life, that’s another layer that the family’s emotions will very much be entwined in…I know that Holly’s parents in particular have spoken in the past about their lives since Holly was brutally taken from them and about their struggles with grief and I know that they’ve helped other parents with projects they’ve become involved/active in …just as Holly and Jessica’s parents will not have and have not coped with their grief in an identical way because grief, especially of losing a child in such an horrific violent way is such an individual thing…then I imagine, so will the emotions felt right now…and that’s all I/most of us can do, just imagine that this will be another layer that will take much processing for them atm…

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Ray.

Yeah, much as I abhor the likes of Huntley and think he was totally deserving of death, it's not so easy to pinpoint exactly how his victims' families might feel or think they should feel about his grisly end. Just as a point of example, there exists the possibility that his death might, in some grimly dark fashion, make the grieving families feel that his victims' memories are now on the way to being 'consigned' to history along with him. Not just something that happened, but something that happened. In a horrific kind of sense, Huntley's continued survival behind bars making its way into the press every now and again was also serving to help keep the memory of the two girls alive within the popular consciousness. Potentially, from the perspective of his victims' families, now that he's gone for good, so too is the memory of his victims closer down the road to being forgotten. Obviously I'm not saying that this is how they absolutely feel, I'm just illustrating that it's not all black and white that the killer having met a suitably gruesome end will be of any real comfort to the families or a definite cause for celebration. Disturbingly, it might even serve as a revival of their grief.

…yeah, you’ve made a very good point as well in that while he was alive in prison, the families could focus their grief on hating him and focusing grief in such a way in such a strong emotion can become such an emotional crutch also, can’t it…so now the processing of it all will take time as well/such a mixture and many layers of emotions …I was reading some responses that were saying things like ‘buy the killer a beer etc’…I mean, I know some comments are reactionary but there is obviously also the loved ones of the three people whose lives he took also and the emotions they will have in him having ‘boosted’ his own standing in that high security A prison…it’s a very complicated thing and as I said originally, monsters killing monsters in a place of many monsters…

[AnnieK]

I am conflicted with this. I have no sympathy for Huntley but Holly and Jessicas parents i am sure will have conflicting emotions. Sadly, due to the notoriety of the case theor daughters names will be forever linked to Huntley and every documentary on him will have their picture flashed on the screen along with his. For Huntley, his sentence has niw ended, theirs hasnt. I think, as a parent, i would prefer him to live a long life, terrified of beatings and attacks, always living in some kind of terror like he put my child and me through. Feath is a nice easy option....thats why so many killers take their own

[Oliver_W]

It's Satan I feel sorry for...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I am conflicted with this. I have no sympathy for Huntley but Holly and Jessicas parents i am sure will have conflicting emotions. Sadly, due to the notoriety of the case theor daughters names will be forever linked to Huntley and every documentary on him will have their picture flashed on the screen along with his. For Huntley, his sentence has niw ended, theirs hasnt. I think, as a parent, i would prefer him to live a long life, terrified of beatings and attacks, always living in some kind of terror like he put my child and me through. Feath is a nice easy option....thats why so many killers take their own

…and Soham also will inevitably be linked with the sadness and the horrific-ness…Soham isn’t that far from where we lived at the time so it was very much a ‘local’ evil and I recall quite a few years afterwards, seeing a car advertised in Soham…(…I was car hunting at the time…)…and Jessica and Holly came into my thoughts again immediately…evil events/occurrences link to that place forever, don’t they…

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Redway

You’re just not seeing the social reality of what these people’s experiences are likely to be in connection with this chapter. And if you can’t see that, you really need to gain some perspective. No-one’s turning cartwheels just because a killer got killed himself.

I think the immediate families of the two girls would be going through a whole raft of EXTREME reactions to the news of the monster’s death . .. one I believe to be ELATION .


Like I said earlier .. we can keep an eye out in the media for the immediate families responses IF they get reported or even SHARED by the families