[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Yes there is just as there is also lots good agnostic/athiest people doing good things for people.

Not anywhere near the scale of organised Christian religion

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Not anywhere near the scale of organised Christian religion

What about the Red Cross? that's nothing to do with a religion??? Just wants to help less fortunate people.

And to go back to catholicism, what about all the misionary priests sent to Africa, helping the people yes but also converting them, so they as well can't use contraciption and they have aids running wild over there?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

What about the Red Cross? that's nothing to do with a religion??? Just wants to help less fortunate people.

And to go back to catholicism, what about all the misionary priests sent to Africa, helping the people yes but also converting them, so they as well can't use contraciption and they have aids running wild over there?

That again is a liberal myth. All of the studies have shown that the only effective way to halt the aids problem in Africa is abstinence and sticking with one partner. Condoms may work in the west with western education and lifestyle but they do not in Africa.

[Sticks]

So who is you contention with, Christianity or Catholicism?

Many don't read the Bible and just accept what some groups say what it teaches. Also some who profess to be Christians do not live up to those ideals.

As for "unbaptised babies"

First Baptism if you read the New Testament was for believers and not infants. Second it was by immersion as the Greek word Baptizo used means immerse and baptism in Romans 6 and Colossians 2 is portrayed as a burial
Thirdly, infants are born innocent and not contaminated with the sin of Adam. That is the false doctrine of Original Sin, which Ezekiel 18 demolishes. Sin according to 1John is an act. Babies who die in infancy reach heaven and do not have to go to Limbo, a place whose existance is not supported by scripture either.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Sticks

So who is you contention with, Christianity or Catholicism?

Many don't read the Bible and just accept what some groups say what it teaches. Also some who profess to be Christians do not live up to those ideals.

As for "unbaptised babies"

First Baptism if you read the New Testament was for believers and not infants. Second it was by immersion as the Greek word Baptizo used means immerse and baptism in Romans 6 and Colossians 2 is portrayed as a burial
Thirdly, infants are born innocent and not contaminated with the sin of Adam. That is the false doctrine of Original Sin, which Ezekiel 18 demolishes. Sin according to 1John is an act. Babies who die in infancy reach heaven and do not have to go to Limbo, a place whose existance is not supported by scripture either.

Ahhh yeah that is right, don't think or question about it, just accept it. Just about sums up Christianity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by InOne

Ahhh yeah that is right, don't think or question about it, just accept it. Just about sums up Christianity.

2000 years worth of debate on one subject, written and analysed more than any topic imaginable


and you reply thus..


As I have said, you unintentionally lay your self open with every keystroke

[InOne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

2000 years worth of debate on one subject, written and analysed more than any topic imaginable


and you reply thus..


As I have said, you unintentionally lay your self open with every keystroke

Just cos it's deabated does not make it true!!!!!!!!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The Bible is 66 books written over thousands of years, some poetry, some prophesy, some allegory and some eyewitness history.

Thus it would be foolish to follow it and think you know, like Sticks does, which parts seem to matter and which don't. Now I see your argument, LeatherTrumpet!

Thank you and goodnight.

66 books. Thousands of years. Dozens of versions. Hundreds of edits. And it's meant to give you peace of mind?

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

That again is a liberal myth. All of the studies have shown that the only effective way to halt the aids problem in Africa is abstinence and sticking with one partner. Condoms may work in the west with western education and lifestyle but they do not in Africa.

LOL!!!
I am from Africa, thats gotta be the mot ignorant stupid thing I have ever heard in my whole life.
How does it not work in Africa? Did you think it through before making dumb posts like these? DO you think Africans are some idiots who cant comprehend how to use a condom? WHat kind of a dumbass are you?
And the red cross does great work in Africa, to prevent Aids, so does the church BTW. And they do not tell people not to use condoms.
YOu can get free condoms, in a lot of different places in Africa these days.

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Ahhh yeah that is right, don't think or question about it, just accept it. Just about sums up Christianity.

The irony is, you are acre actually the one who dont question your beliefs. You take the easy way out, probably because faith is something, thats above your brain capability.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

The irony is, you are acre actually the one who dont question your beliefs. You take the easy way out, probably because faith is something, thats above your brain capability.

Try again. Oh and why are you even talking to me?

[Stu]

This is all so confusing. I will stick by my original argument. If Jesus was that great a deity, he would come down and fill us all with the knowledge of his story and clear this whole mess up.

Still waiting for somebody to refute that...

[InOne]

I am still waiting for a good explanation of the Trinity!!!! 1+1+1=1 ok then????????

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

This is all so confusing. I will stick by my original argument. If Jesus was that great a deity, he would come down and fill us all with the knowledge of his story and clear this whole mess up.

Still waiting for somebody to refute that...

WHat would be the point? Life is supposed to be full of ups and downs. If it was obvious to everyone that there is one almighty god, and these are his instructions, everyone would be like zombies. I think there are supposed to be believers, and non believers. It would be too easy otherwise.

[InOne]

The idea of a God is a delusion. Fact.

[setanta]

I often wonder how many atheists start praying once they're on their deathbeds.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by setanta

I often wonder how many atheists start praying once they're on their deathbeds.

That is a myth. Do you believe in God?

[setanta]

Originally Posted by InOne

That is a myth. Do you believe in God?

How do you know it's a myth? I'd imagine that there would be quite a few who suddenly start praying to something or someone.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by setanta

How do you know it's a myth? I'd imagine that there would be quite a few who suddenly start praying to something or someone.

It is amyth because alot of people are brought up Atheist these days. Why would they pray to something they know nothing about?

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

This is all so confusing. I will stick by my original argument. If Jesus was that great a deity, he would come down and fill us all with the knowledge of his story and clear this whole mess up.

Still waiting for somebody to refute that...

SOme christian will argue, that if God showed himself,and gave you irrefutable proof, it would not longer be able to say I didnt know. So anything evil you did, would be unforgivable.
It all has to do with us proving ourselves to be able to make up our own mind, with the little unproven guidance we received. WIll you choose right from wrong without the proof that god exists.

See, I believe in god and my religion, but I do not believe that non believers will all go to hell. I think its even more admirable for someone to be good, even though they dont believe in god, and dont think there will be consequences for their actions in the after life. ANd if I can see the logic in that, I dont see how the almighty god, would not see it.

[InOne]

Anyone who questions Christianity goes to hell though, did you not know?

[Wildcat!]

Religion is not forced upon anyone, nor should it ever be. In history, a lot of religions used the word o god, to go to war, and slaughter people. I dont believe any of the prophets, would have condoned that. They went to war, because they were not allowed to have their beliefs, or they were prosecuted for their beliefs, but they didnt go to war to force their religion on others.
BUt then came the monarchs, who used religions, to justiy, their imperialism. Even the church. The key is to know that its wrong, and that there will be people who will abuse a religion. Even big groups of people.

So I dont see the point in questioning religions, when it doesnt affect you in any way. WHat is the point in trying to get people to abandon their religion, if all it does for them is help them be a better person?
If you however think that any religious groups is abusing their powers, or trying to force their religions on to others, then its perfectly OK to question it.

[InOne]

Just crazy how many believe it, it's ridiculous. To be fair I don't mind Deism, Religion is just no!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

SOme christian will argue, that if God showed himself,and gave you irrefutable proof, it would not longer be able to say I didnt know. So anything evil you did, would be unforgivable.
It all has to do with us proving ourselves to be able to make up our own mind, with the little unproven guidance we received. WIll you choose right from wrong without the proof that god exists.

See, I believe in god and my religion, but I do not believe that non believers will all go to hell. I think its even more admirable for someone to be good, even though they don't believe in god, and dont think there will be consequences for their actions in the after life. And if I can see the logic in that, I don't see how the almighty god, would not see it.

Good points, but it seems like such a cheap way out, to chalk it all up to free will. What about people in isolated parts of the world who have no knowledge of anything outside there own indigenous culture? Are they going to hell? I know you don't believe in that but isin't that what happens to non believers?

Understand gods infinite love for you or suffer eternal damnation?

So anything evil you did, would be unforgivable.

I thought the whole point of Jesus was to redeem us and save us from our sins no matter what?

Wait a second...

...I have lost track of myself.

Can you start to see the thousands of interpretations out there? How do you know which one is right?

Dozens of books, dozens of authors, hundreds of edits, dozens of versions, thousands of years, historical and scientific, provable inaccuracies no matter which version.

And this is the basis for some sort of coherent faith?

Sorry, but call me faithless. It's too big a pill to swallow.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by InOne

It is amyth because alot of people are brought up Atheist these days. Why would they pray to something they know nothing about?

Throughout time mankind has always believed in something beyond the physical world- usually a diety of some kind but not always. I think it's in our nature to have faith in something that can't be defined or bottled up and processed.