[Stu]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

LOL no silly!! The dinosaurs!!

We have dinosaur fossils of course. But for some strange reason, dinosaurs don't put in a single appearance in the Bible. Then again, I cant find the word 'chocolate' in the Bible, and the Christian tradition these days is to celebrate the death and resurrection of the messiah by telling children and bunnyrabbit left chocolate eggs everywhere.

Yeaaaaah.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Excellent arguments as usual. I suppose it was Google that recorded what Jesus said in the garden WHEN ALL THE OTHER APOSTLES AROUND HIM WERE ASLEEP?

The fact that I copied and pasted makes no bearing on my argument. The website still raises dozens of completely valid points. Like the FACT that 'Jesus of Nazareth' supposedly lived in what is the most well-documented period of antiquity – the first century of the Christian era – yet not a single non-Christian source mentions the miracle worker from the sky.

Or the FACT that ALL his miracles and acts appeared before in other characters of ancient mythology?

Blind faith. No getting through to you. I pity the fool.

again with an insult to dilute any point you have and to highlight your own doubts about the validity of your own "faith"

I reckon you could be close to being born again

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

We have dinosaur fossils of course. But for some strange reason, dinosaurs don't put in a single appearance in the Bible. Then again, I cant find the word 'chocolate' in the Bible, and the Christian tradition these days is to celebrate the death and resurrection of the messiah by telling children and bunnyrabbit left chocolate eggs everywhere.

Yeaaaaah.

that comes from German tradition and not the Bible


another post

another example of your lack of knowledge

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

again with an insult to dilute any point you have and to highlight your own doubts about the validity of your own "faith"

I reckon you could be close to being born again

Again not one single argument for anything I have said. And if you think quoting Mr. T makes me close to being a born again, I really do pity the fool.

Now I get it. YOU recorded what Jesus said in the garden! How could I have been so stupid?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

oh the irony of misplaced self congratulation.....

I don't think it's misplaced at all, ProbeEight has very valid points and is a fantastic poster.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I don't think it's misplaced at all, ProbeEight has very valid points and is a fantastic poster.

I disagree with you and think he lacks knowledge and is insulting and whilst I am on about it you are nowt but a lickspittle

(see how this helps the debate?)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Again not one single argument for anything I have said. And if you think quoting Mr. T makes me close to being a born again, I really do pity the fool.

Now I get it. YOU recorded what Jesus said in the garden! How could I have been so stupid?

you are too hard on yourself albeit somewhat accurate

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I disagree with you and think he lacks knowledge and is insulting and whilst I am on about it you are nowt but a lickspittle

(see how this helps the debate?)

Lickspittle? WTF is that, I'm guessing it's not nice! and you say he's insulting lol

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Lickspittle? WTF is that, I'm guessing it's not nice! and you say he's insulting lol

are you experiencing sudden draughts just above your head?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

are you experiencing sudden draughts just above your head?

I won't lower myself to insulting you! My mother always told me if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all!!!

You're insults are very Un-Christian like you know, shouldn't you turn the other cheek???

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I won't lower myself to insulting you! My mother always told me if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all!!!

You're insults are very Un-Christian like you know, shouldn't you turn the other cheek???

"Originally Posted by Niamhxo View Post
LOL no silly!! The dinosaurs!!"


She should have concentrated on lying instead

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Originally Posted by Niamhxo View Post
LOL no silly!! The dinosaurs!!"


She should have concentrated on lying instead

lol, you think that's an insult???? It wasn't, I was answering your question

and btw, a liar is one thing I'm not

[Stu]

I am insulting for quoting Mr. T. I am unintelligent however you refuse to refute any point the links have made. You still seem clueless as to who recorded what Jesus said in the garden, or how every specie on the planet fitted into one ark. Or any of the other things I mentioned. That, and the fact that you are deluded into thinking just because I dont believe what you believe, I must be some poor faithless boy who needs to be born again. The only argument you ever actually give is that I am not worth the argument, because I have a poor understanding of Christianity. Because, of course, Christianity is so distinct and concise that only one version of the bible exists. And only one church exists. And only one interpretation exists, right?

Sorry, I am doing it again. I have rationality tourettes, I am afraid. What a great defender of the faith you make, brother. Love thy lord. You tell em', kid. Go in peace.

In short, like others are discovering, you are not worth the time. And that is my final say on the subject.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

I am insulting for quoting Mr. T. I am unintelligent however you refuse to refute any point the links have made. You still seem clueless as to who recorded what Jesus said in the garden, or how every specie on the planet fitted into one ark. Or any of the other things I mentioned. That, and the fact that you are deluded into thinking just because I dont believe what you believe, I must be some poor faithless boy who needs to be born again. The only argument you ever actually give is that I am not worth the argument, because I have a poor understanding of Christianity. Because, of course, Christianity is so distinct and concise that only one version of the bible exists. And only one church exists. And only one interpretation exists, right?

Sorry, I am doing it again. I have rationality tourettes, I am afraid. What a great defender of the faith you make, brother. Love thy lord. You tell em', kid. Go in peace.

In short, like others are discovering, you are not worth the time. And that is my final say on the subject.

Amen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

I am insulting for quoting Mr. T. I am unintelligent however you refuse to refute any point the links have made. You still seem clueless as to who recorded what Jesus said in the garden, or how every specie on the planet fitted into one ark. Or any of the other things I mentioned. That, and the fact that you are deluded into thinking just because I dont believe what you believe, I must be some poor faithless boy who needs to be born again. The only argument you ever actually give is that I am not worth the argument, because I have a poor understanding of Christianity. Because, of course, Christianity is so distinct and concise that only one version of the bible exists. And only one church exists. And only one interpretation exists, right?

Sorry, I am doing it again. I have rationality tourettes, I am afraid. What a great defender of the faith you make, brother. Love thy lord. You tell em', kid. Go in peace.

You have illustrated that you do not have any biblical knowledge save what you can cut and paste from a bog standard atheist site (Usher date mistake, Easter mistake)

Christianity is 2000 years old, in that time do you not think that some of the questions that you have cut and paste have been addressed by people who have dedicated their lives to dissecting the Bible and specifically the NT?

If you have questions, research them and you will find that the work has been done already.

Being a Christian is a bit more than perhaps what you think it is.

[Prole]

I believe Jesus existed. I don't believe he's the son of God. There's nothing in that book of fairytales called the Bible to suggest he did anything I've not seen David Blaine or a decent paramedic do.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Prole

I believe Jesus existed. I don't believe he's the son of God. There's nothing in that book of fairytales called the Bible to suggest he did anything I've not seen David Blaine or a decent paramedic do.

Well, Cris Angel is a sex god of sorts to me, but enough about that .

[Prole]

Originally Posted by ProbeEight

Well, Cris Angel is a sex god of sorts to me, but enough about that .

I can see where you're going with that...

[Ramsay]

Oh he was real
its just the stuff he was on about was shyte

[Crimson Dynamo]

"'Jesus of Nazareth' supposedly lived in what is the most well-documented period of antiquity – the first century of the Christian era – yet not a single non-Christian source mentions the miracle worker from the sky. All references – including the notorious insertions in Josephus – stem from partisan Christian sources (and Josephus himself, much argued over, was not even born until after the supposed crucifixion). The horrendous truth is that the Christian Jesus was manufactured from plundered sources, re-purposed for the needs of the early Church."

http://www.carm.org/apologetics/evid...s-andor-people

and it does beg the question what non Christian sources were you looking for? - The Nazareth Mail or the Roman Times. The written word was religion back then, even Private Eye had not been invented.

[Tom4784]

I think he existed and probably was a good samaritan but I struggle to believe in the more mystical side of him. I think he was probably like a 'Mother Theresa' esque figure? In that he lived his life for others and was extremely charitable, but I think the mystical elements are metaphors of his accomplishments or deeds? Even though he might not have been how he is written in the bible it's still a good thing that he has influenced people to do good ever since regardless of belief and such.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and perhaps Mr Probe can give us the credentials of http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/?

Who is behind the website, where do they come from, what are their credentials?

I hope it is not just some guy sitting in his boxershorts in a bedsit in the Elephant and Castle?

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think he existed and probably was a good samaritan but I struggle to believe in the more mystical side of him. I think he was probably like a 'Mother Theresa' esque figure? In that he lived his life for others and was extremely charitable, but I think the mystical elements are metaphors of his accomplishments or deeds? Even though he might not have been how he is written in the bible it's still a good thing that he has influenced people to do good ever since regardless of belief and such.

Yeh thats about how I reckon it up

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I think he existed and probably was a good samaritan but I struggle to believe in the more mystical side of him. I think he was probably like a 'Mother Theresa' esque figure? In that he lived his life for others and was extremely charitable, but I think the mystical elements are metaphors of his accomplishments or deeds? Even though he might not have been how he is written in the bible it's still a good thing that he has influenced people to do good ever since regardless of belief and such.

and you believe that people happily died for him, and that we talk about him now with 32% of the whole world Christian?

that is even harder to believe

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and you believe that people happily died for him, and that we talk about him now with 32% of the whole world Christian?

that is even harder to believe

The bible's written by man so I think a lot of it is exageration and metaphors. I'm not particularly religious though so i'm not the best person to talk about christian history, I see Jesus as a very charitable figure who probably helped a lot of people in his life. I think that the church probably used his image to give itself a central image to build itself around.