[InOne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Does this just apply to immigrants or everyone? Say if a totally Brittish person decided one day to convert to Islam would he or she be allowed to celebrate their religion since thy were born within our culture? Or wouldn't it be allowed as they'll be classed as the same as those evil upstarting muslims that want to destroy our culture?

How long does a person need to live here before they are classed as a Brittish citizen? Because a few posts back someone was slamming 2nd and 3rd generation muslims, surely if you are born and raised here you are as brittish as everyone else? (This one's not aimed at you Wombai as I think it was InOne who said that)

I just wanted a little clarification before I make a point.

I was slamming their attitude, they are the ones who have the most identity crisis. And I didn't say Muslims, it was immigrants. Well being born here and raised it could make you British, but it all depends on how they class themselves. With Muslims especially who live in Ghettos, alot will probaby class themselves as where their parents come from, as they don't really intergrate. It is becoming the say as the way some Jews cut themselves off in London and Manchester.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

I was slamming their attitude, they are the ones who have the most identity crisis. And I didn't say Muslims, it was immigrants. Well being born here and raised it could make you British, but it all depends on how they class themselves. With Muslims especially who live in Ghettos, alot will probaby class themselves as where their parents come from, as they don't really intergrate. It is becoming the say as the way some Jews cut themselves off in London and Manchester.

people dont cut themselves off, they live in areas where there is familiarity, work, family, people dont discriminate and treat them differently...not because they dont want to mix....more like the other way round there

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

people dont cut themselves off, they live in areas where there is familiarity, work, family, people dont discriminate and treat them differently...not because they dont want to mix....more like the other way round there

Other cultures have managed to intergrate well over the years. Yet Muslims still choose to live seculded.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Other cultures have managed to intergrate well over the years. Yet Muslims still choose to live seculded.

"muslims still choose to live secluded" Wrong, muslims (on the whole) havent any more than anyone else.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

"muslims still choose to live secluded" Wrong, muslims (on the whole) havent any more than anyone else.

Hmmm nah I don't think so. They clearly live in their own areas. Hindus, Sikhs, Catholics, Jews have have done it fine. Yes the Jews are quite segregated but they don't cause a fuss. Why can't the muslims do it?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by InOne

Hmmm nah I don't think so. They clearly live in their own areas. Hindus, Sikhs, Catholics, Jews have have done it fine. Yes the Jews are quite segregated but they don't cause a fuss. Why can't the muslims do it?

I have no problems with the Jewish religion because as you say 'they don't cause a fuss' - they just get on with living their lives in their way - without expecting constant 'special considerations' and rubbing our noses in their religion all the time.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I have no problems with the Jewish religion because as you say 'they don't cause a fuss' - they just get on with living their lives in their way - without expecting constant 'special considerations'.

Exactly, I really don't get why we feel to bend over backwards for Islam Fear of terrorism, who knows. But having home grown terrorists is where you have to stop and think there might be something wrong. You know that film 'Road to Guantanamo'? About the British Muslims who ended up there? They went on a programme called Lie Lab and admitted they'd been to the training camps and stuff.