[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well I disagree, whilst you do have some good points elsewhere...Children like this can and do get rehabilitated, they caught them early and that is key. If they were born in to a nice family that loved and cared for them properly they wouldnt have done what they did, utter fact. Children like this have suffered high levels of trauma and abuse in their very young and chaotic lives (No excuse for what theyve done, but it is what it is)

Well if they are Psychopaths it is a fact they are wired different. But yes, as they have been caught early, treatment could be possible, like who knows what else they got upto?? But we will see I guess, the difference in enviroment might help. But say if they were like 16 or something they most likely would have already been to far gone. Who knows they might respond brilliantly, as I said before I don't think they're too intelligent, so doubt they'd be able to play games with the docs

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well if they are Psychopaths it is a fact they are wired different. But yes, as they have been caught early, treatment could be possible, like who knows what else they got upto?? But we will see I guess, the difference in enviroment might help. But say if they were like 16 or something they most likely would have already been to far gone. Who knows they might respond brilliantly, as I said before I don't think they're too intelligent, so doubt they'd be able to play games with the docs

Yeh but theyre too young to be classed as psychopaths, plenty of kids are "wired different" but wont grow up to be psychopaths if they grow up in a stable and caring environment

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Yeh but theyre too young to be classed as psychopaths, plenty of kids are "wired different" but wont grow up to be psychopaths if they grow up in a stable and caring environment

Well, do you think Psychopathy should be diagnosed at a younger age? And no matter what the enviroment, Psychopaths are born not made, their upbrining has an affect obviously, maybe more so than others.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Well, do you think Psychopathy should be diagnosed at a younger age? And no matter what the enviroment, Psychopaths are born not made, their upbrining has an affect obviously, maybe more so than others.

Theyre not born, they may be born with the potential but without the abusive, chaotic and traumatic childhoods/ or lack of any discipline at all they wouldnt end up as psychopaths...and if you start sticking labels on children then theres no hope. I do think there are behavioral problems and signs that someone could end up that way at an early age and those kids need to be worked with to prevent it happening, thats the way the govt is going which is a good sign, tackling problem children in schools and working with their families is on the increase now...Im looking at getting into that work now myself as it happens

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Theyre not born, they may be born with the potential but without the abusive, chaotic and traumatic childhoods they wouldnt end up as psychopaths...and if you start sticking labels on children then theres no hope. I do think there are behavioral problems and signs that someone could end up that way at an early age and those kids need to be worked with to prevent it happening, thats the way the govt is going which is a good sign, tackling problem children in schools and working with their families is on the increase now...Im looking at getting into that work now myself as it happens

Yes and no. Say like a lesser intelligent Psychopath might be violent, get caught and end up in prison for the rest of their life. While the more intelligent ones are more likely to go cause havoc in the business world. That is why is so ruthless at the high end of it. I agree labels are not good, and should not be used likely. But this is an extreme case, where clearly they didn't see the suffering, it's a rarity but sometimes you have to diagnose them early I think. Without dignosing you might be concentrating on all the worng things and end up not helping them at all.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by InOne

Yes and no. Say like a lesser intelligent Psychopath might be violent, get caught and end up in prison for the rest of their life. While the more intelligent ones are more likely to go cause havoc in the business world. That is why is so ruthless at the high end of it. I agree labels are not good, and should not be used likely. But this is an extreme case, where clearly they didn't see the suffering, it's a rarity but sometimes you have to diagnose them early I think. Without dignosing you might be concentrating on all the worng things and end up not helping them at all.

I dont believe in putting labels on people, tackle the behaviour but theres nothing to gain from saying a child is a psychopath and there is no way of accurately predicting if they will end up that way at all so it would damaging to even slap that label on. tackle the behaviour, tackle the poor parenting and if neccessary remove children from the poor environment. If a child is persistantly truanting, getting into trouble, has a poor record of behaviour at school then theres clear signs that things are amiss and they need help. Concentrating on the behaviour/symptoms/causes is the only way to deal with it, diagnoses are just umbrella terms and can be unhelpful when it comes to treatment. Everyone is different and needs treating in different ways

[InOne]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

I dont believe in putting labels on people, tackle the behaviour but theres nothing to gain from saying a child is a psychopath and there is no way of accurately predicting if they will end up that way at all so it would damaging to even slap that label on. tackle the behaviour, tackle the poor parenting and if neccessary remove children from the poor environment. If a child is persistantly truanting, getting into trouble, has a poor record of behaviour at school then theres clear signs that things are amiss and they need help. Concentrating on the behaviour/symptoms/causes is the only way to deal with it, diagnoses are just umbrella terms and can be unhelpful when it comes to treatment. Everyone is different and needs treating in different ways

I guess so, but don't you think it could be a bit hit and miss treatment then? I guess that what mental health is like anyway really. It would be nice if these two are not too far gone, but giving the nature of the crime i'm not too sure. Hopefully the system will do them good, but like someone said earlier, it will be like with the kids who killed James Bulger, we will probably never even know when they are released or where they are.

[sooty]

The word "bored" is bothering me.

It may be too late for these two brothers, but how about where poor young children could go to after school these days?

They do not have computer at home, or
No youth centre near they live or can not afford to join a club.

I hve been wondering whenever if I see a group of very young children gathering at corner doing nothing after school.
If they could go to sports center, music or dancing places without any charge.

I would not think they could turn to monster like these brothers but these ordinary children might need some help before they develop feeling of anger, frustration or dissapointment to turnt to nasty actions.

(I am not saying all cildren in a group at corner.
Some of them may be simply waiting for their friedns or any other simple reasons)