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LeatherTrumpet · 24-02-2010, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamhxo

raising what point that Catholics, Muslims and Christians are all individuals too? Of course they are

I dont see or read too much of that point being made when anyone is discussing them or slagging them off. catholic priests seem to spring to mind.

GhettoSuperstar · 24-02-2010, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Don't be like that. It's fairly obvious what the question was.

Honestly, no.
By reading it I had no idea, I was like 'why are they asking about a relationship between a gay man and a lesbian?' so, point.

But to answer the question I don't know the stats anyway, same sex marriage is too much of a recent thing to compare it yet.

Fom · 24-02-2010, 04:18 PM

I know lots of married gay couples and I can say one thing, in my circle of friends I have never experienced a gay divorce. But a lot of straight divorces.

If male couples eventually get married, then it is most likely they have got over the fact they are both men and do not mind all the things you mention.

setanta · 24-02-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont see or read too much of that point being made when anyone is discussing them or slagging them off. catholic priests seem to spring to mind.

Of course they're treated differently! They abused kids when placed in positions of importance within the fabric of a community, thereby shaming the very principals of the Catholic Church, who had a stranglehold on all aspects of life in Ireland at the time.

Now you're comparing homosexuality to systematic abuse. Stop it LT. This is ridiculous.

Niamh. · 24-02-2010, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I dont see or read too much of that point being made when anyone is discussing them or slagging them off. catholic priests seem to spring to mind.

I don't usually argue too much in those threads tbh

Ross · 24-02-2010, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

But you are missing the point. Your point is valid if men and women were biologically similar with similar sexual needs and profiles. Surely 2 men will be in greater danger of infidelity?

There are 6 billion or so people who live on earth and everyday that number rises, so I'm sure a small percentage of the world who are gay, lesbian, choose to not have kids and ofcourse the people who cannot have kids naturally won't really matter to the popular. (I kinda feel this is what you're hinting at, two men can't reproduce so the population will be effected in the long run)

I don't think two men are in greater danger of infidelity. Women are just as bad as men in cheating on their partners. Men may have a higher sex drive than women so surely two gay men's sex life would be better with eachother, surely?

LeatherTrumpet · 24-02-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

You're very dull sometimes LT in your efforts to classify, tag or condemn groups that you have absolutely no regard for. Remember you compared murderers to homosexuals in another thread involving Jesus? It's fairly transparent to me what you're trying to achieve here.

No i did not and it is lazy and misleading to say I did

I stated that to suggest that Jesus was gay was was a moot point just like it would be to debate him being a murderer or a paedophile. ie He was not so the debate is moot

go and re read my post and do not try and jump on a bandwagon ffs

LeatherTrumpet · 24-02-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross

There are 6 billion or so people who live on earth and everyday that number rises, so I'm sure a small percentage of the world who are gay, lesbian, choose to not have kids and ofcourse the people who cannot have kids naturally won't really matter to the popular. (I kinda feel this is what you're hinting at, two men can't reproduce so the population will be effected in the long run)

I don't think two men are in greater danger of infidelity. Women are just as bad as men in cheating on their partners. Men may have a higher sex drive than women so surely two gay men's sex life would be better with eachother, surely?

I do not know hence the question and debate.

Tom · 24-02-2010, 04:26 PM

Gay wedding = contradiction

Don't really care though, if it makes people happy then why not

WOMBAI · 24-02-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

We are constantly told that men think about sex every 7 seconds, that they are non biologically monogamous, that our make up is to procreate with as many as possible to spread the gene pool etc

Women are different and need to keep a mate etc they counterbalance the male urges etc and thus the 2 are well suited.

So what hope do 2 men who are homosexual have of having a steady and happy relationship. Should this whole gay "wedding" thing be scrapped as it is a non starter or do 2 men being together by law somehow biologically change?

Surely lesbian "weddings" make much more sense?

Full of sweeping statements!

setanta · 24-02-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No i did not and it is lazy and misleading to say I did

I stated that to suggest that Jesus was gay was was a moot point just like it would be to debate him being a murderer or a paedophile. ie He was not so the debate is moot

go and re read my post and do not try and jump on a bandwagon ffs

There's intent in everything you write in this forum. It's not a coincidence that you mention Catholic priests in a thread right now that involves a discussion on homosexuality, just like you threw in paedophilia in another one. You've done it before and you continue to do it here, trying to catagorize and condemn a certain sexuality that you find deplorable.

Wildcat! · 24-02-2010, 04:28 PM

The statistics, will be misleading, if youre gonna compare, Same sex marriages, with homosexual ones. BUt if youre gonna compare Homosexual marriages, they are gonna be similar.

Straight marriages, are common, and they result in divorce about half of the time. Because people these days, dont think twice about getting married, since its so easy to get divorced whenever something goes wrong. Which explains why divorce rate is pretty high now,.

When it comes to gay marriages, well, its not very common, and as far as I know, they have to be pretty committed in order to take that step. So naturally, the divorce rate is gonna be pretty low, weather they are gay or lesbians. I dont there is much difference in the numbers, given how recent the earliest gay marriages are.

Ross · 24-02-2010, 04:28 PM

I'm confused. I don't know wether you're asking because their gay, or because they're men.

:S which brings me back to my previous point... women are as much to blame as men when it comes to infedelity, it's not because men have a higher sex drive.

Wildcat! · 24-02-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom

Gay wedding = contradiction

Don't really care though, if it makes people happy then why not

Pretty much my feelings on the thing. It does not really concern me, so whatever.

LeatherTrumpet · 24-02-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

There's intent in everything you write in this forum. It's not a coincidence that you mention Catholic priests in a thread right now that involves a discussion on homosexuality, just like you threw in paedophilia in another one. You've done it before and you continue to do it here, trying to catagorize and condemn a certain sexuality that you find deplorable.

the only person doing the above is yourself^^

hoisted by your own petard

Wildcat! · 24-02-2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross

I'm confused. I don't know wether you're asking because their gay, or because they're men.

:S which brings me back to my previous point... women are as much to blame as men when it comes to infedelity, it's not because men have a higher sex drive.

I think he is asking weather the marriage between men, is more durable than the marriage between women.

LeatherTrumpet · 24-02-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross

I'm confused. I don't know wether you're asking because their gay, or because they're men.

:S which brings me back to my previous point... women are as much to blame as men when it comes to infedelity, it's not because men have a higher sex drive.

how do you know that is true?

LeatherTrumpet · 24-02-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat!

The statistics, will be misleading, if youre gonna compare, Same sex marriages, with homosexual ones. BUt if youre gonna compare Homosexual marriages, they are gonna be similar.

Straight marriages, are common, and they result in divorce about half of the time. Because people these days, dont think twice about getting married, since its so easy to get divorced whenever something goes wrong. Which explains why divorce rate is pretty high now,.

When it comes to gay marriages, well, its not very common, and as far as I know, they have to be pretty committed in order to take that step. So naturally, the divorce rate is gonna be pretty low, weather they are gay or lesbians. I dont there is much difference in the numbers, given how recent the earliest gay marriages are.

good reply. low on hysteria. low on bandwaggoning. high on common sense.

setanta · 24-02-2010, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the only person doing the above is yourself^^

hoisted by your own petard

Not at all - you continually act in the same manner within the serious debates forum, unwilling to really have a discussion because you have your own shady agenda to stay true to.

Ross · 24-02-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Well how do you know that is true?

how do you know it's true that men cheat more? on what statistics? you can't say men cheat more than women... maybe a few statistics dotted around the place say it, but on the whole they can't examine EVERY relationship.

sure, men are in the spotlight for cheating more ie. John Terry, Ashley Cole etc. (I'm using celebrities as an example here) but where's to say that everyday life among normal folk, the women isn't doing the dirty?

Forgive me if I'm wrong and I do apologise if I am but it just seems you are attacking homosexuals alot recently and hiding it behind ludacris debates.

Tom · 24-02-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross

I'm confused. I don't know wether you're asking because their gay, or because they're men.

:S which brings me back to my previous point... women are as much to blame as men when it comes to infedelity, it's not because men have a higher sex drive.

Men are naturally more likely to cheat, so can a marriage between 2 men work?

I guess it just comes down to probability. Lets say a man has a 1 in 2 chance of cheating and a woman has 1 in 3. That would mean theres a 1 in 4 chance of someone cheating in a male same sex marriage, compared to 1 in 6 chance for straight marriage and 1 in 9 for female same sex marriage. I think thats the point LT is trying to make.

LeatherTrumpet · 24-02-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by setanta

Not at all - you continually act in the same manner within the serious debates forum, unwilling to really have a discussion because you have your own shady agenda to stay true to.

get a grip on yourself for crying out loud.