[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Yes like school, most kids would avoid school if they could simply because they want to go out and play, as they mature they start to become more interested in learning what schools have to offer. however give most kids the chance and they would prefer a lot more time off school than at school.

There is also a difference that education of one sort or another is compulsory in the UK.

So you think that parents should still send their kids to school even though they dont like it. Or should they wait until they are 15 and let them decide whether to go to primary school or not.?

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What does the Muslim religion say about bringing up children in your faith?

It has a lot of guidelines as to how you should raise someone, teach him your beliefs obviously. but a muslim is considered an adult at around 12 or 13. After than age, one becomes responsible of his own actions. And scientifically, it does concur!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

It has a lot of guidelines as to how you should raise someone, teach him your beliefs obviously. but a muslim is considered an adult at around 12 or 13. After than age, one becomes responsible of his own actions. And scientifically, it does concur!

Damn. Religion is really, really dumb.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

It has a lot of guidelines as to how you should raise someone, but a muslim is considered an adult at around 12 or 13. After than age, one becomes responsible of his own actions.

And is it normal for a practising Muslim not to encourage their children in faith when they are 0-12?


(and an adult at 12, what is that about?)

[InOne]

Helps make excuses for the prophets anitics

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Damn. Religion is really, really dumb.

Think about yourself, and your personal experience.

[arista]

It is African or Muslims that are Adult younger.
And in India.


Everyone knows that LT.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

It has a lot of guidelines as to how you should raise someone, teach him your beliefs obviously. but a muslim is considered an adult at around 12 or 13. After than age, one becomes responsible of his own actions. And scientifically, it does concur!

How can they possibly be considered adults when they haven't fully developed physically or emotionally - nothing logical about it!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

It is African or Muslims that are Adult younger.
And in India.


Everyone knows that LT.

rubbish

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

Think about yourself, and your personal experience.

Are you trying to use the little book of calm to prove a point or something?

In my personal experience, religion tends to be really, really dumb.

Seriously. Adult at 12? Do you honestly actually believe that shit?

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Are you trying to use the little book of calm to prove a point or something?

In my personal experience, religion tends to be really, really dumb.

Seriously. Adult at 12? Do you honestly actually believe that shit?

I really dont care what you, random forum member thinks about any of it. \i only stated what I believe in. It has nothing to do with you. I did quote you though. So my bad, I will make sure I respond to the thread in general next time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Are you trying to use the little book of calm to prove a point or something?

In my personal experience, religion tends to be really, really dumb.

Seriously. Adult at 12? Do you honestly actually believe that shit?

what is your experience of religion?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

I really dont care what you, random forum member thinks about any of it. \i only stated what I believe in. It has nothing to do with you. I did quote you though. So my bad, I will make sure I respond to the thread in general next time.

Ah the ol' 'I don't care what you think'. Much easier than just tackling the problem head on, right?

Bit of free advice : If you believe in a doctrine that states that twelve year olds are adults, I would be prepared to have your beliefs questioned quiet a lot ...

[Wildcat!]

The thing is, when you think about being an adult, a lot of you, are only thinking about sex stuff. In societies, where, thats not the dominant issue, its farthest from most peoples minds. They think of other issues, not at all involved in that. And yeah, around 11, 12, is when you can contribute.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what is your experience of religion?

Well I was raised Christian but kicked that dirty habit when I was 13, but religion still fascinated me up until about a year ago when I exhausted my interest of it and it reached it's natural end point as a sort of general interest. Fuck knows how many hours I spent reading up on religion online or reading books about it or debating it with people [both secular and non secular].

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

The thing is, when you think about being an adult, a lot of you, are only thinking about sex stuff. In societies, where, thats not the dominant issue, its farthest from most peoples minds. They think of other issues, not at all involved in that. And yeah, around 11, 12, is when you can contribute.

Err no. I'm thinking about neuroscience. You know ... like your brain and that. Oh and common sense. I know it's sorely lacking when it comes to religion.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Well I was raised Christian but kicked that dirty habit when I was 13, but religion still fascinated me up until about a year ago when I exhausted my interest of it and it reached it's natural end point as a sort of general interest. Fuck knows how many hours I spent reading up on religion online or reading books about it or debating it with people [both secular and non secular].

perhaps you will come back to it when you are older?

like that saying about how anyone who is 18 and not a socialist is crazy and anyone who is 30 still a socialist is crazier still.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

perhaps you will come back to it when you are older?

like that saying about how anyone who is 18 and not a socialist is crazy and anyone who is 30 still a socialist is crazier still.

Like perhaps you will leave it when you are older?

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Well I was raised Christian but kicked that dirty habit when I was 13, but religion still fascinated me up until about a year ago when I exhausted my interest of it and it reached it's natural end point as a sort of general interest. Fuck knows how many hours I spent reading up on religion online or reading books about it or debating it with people [both secular and non secular].

At least you have challenged yourself and others about it! I think its the least you can do!
And most of us, has the ability to accept or deny any of the religions around.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

Like perhaps you will leave it when you are older?

touche

[WOMBAI]

12 year olds are not adults in any way, sexually or otherwise. And to say that sex is not the dominant issue in societies where very young girls are often married off to much older men - is an insult to the intelligence of others!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Wildcat!

At least you have challenged yourself and others about it! I think its the least you can do!
And most of us, has the ability to accept or deny any of the religions around.

I agree, which is why it should be left for someone to decide for themselves. You wouldn't indoctrinate your newborn baby into a political party. Why do it for religion.

Sheep who never question their beliefs and thus never really bother to understand them ... what use to a church are they? I wonder how many christened members of this forum actually read The Bible. Very few I would imagine. Why would you want these non believers counted amongst your ranks?

[Wildcat!]

Originally Posted by Judas Iscariot

I agree, which is why it should be left for someone to decide for themselves. You wouldn't indoctrinate your newborn baby into a political party. Why do it for religion.

Sheep who never question their beliefs and thus never really bother to understand them ... what use to a church are they? I wonder how many christened members of this forum actually read The Bible. Very few I would imagine. Why would you want these non believers counted amongst your ranks?

true. But I find it funny that people cant see how, in my own life, after I was about 11 or 12, is when I started to think for myself. I had beliefs, that were taught to me, but it was, when I was able to question them. Agree or disagree.

My bad if I offend anyone. This honestly is coming from a personal belief, and has nothing to do with any groups/

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

So you think that parents should still send their kids to school even though they dont like it. Or should they wait until they are 15 and let them decide whether to go to primary school or not.?

I believe I have a legal, a moral and ethical responsibility to ensure my children are brought up with the best education I can give them. That does not necessarily either include or preclude attendance at church. Children can be educated to have some knowledge of ALL religions and to make their mind up to follow one or to change as they mature.

That would obviously mean the children following the normal state education pattern, Nursery, primary, then secondary educations. Unless I felt that home schooling would be more advantagrous to my children, which I dont.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

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Abortion is painful and to kill an unborn child involves burning, smothering, dismembering and crushing (on live babies that have not been specifically anaesthetized).

Since when? Yes it IS painful. But all you do it take 2 tablets, they make you miscarry...No dismembering or anything...

Then again, I dont know about abortions done late on...

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Since when? Yes it IS painful. But all you do it take 2 tablets, they make you miscarry...No dismembering or anything...

Then again, I dont know about abortions done late on...

He is right about that - in abortions where the fetus is more than about 6 weeks old!