[Jords]

Not the + / - malarky that was on here, but karma in terms of 'what goes around, comes around'.

Do you believe that bad people will eventually get whats coming to them and good people will get good things happen in time? Any examples you've witnessed of it?

[Raph]

Nope.
Seems to me more that bad things happen to good people. :/
That's what I love about BB though, how a 'good' person is shown some justice.

[Smithy]

Yep, I think I do,
The story's pretty long, so to cut the crap, he died :P

[Raph]

Also, seems as though mean people get further in life tbh :$

[Raph]

ahaha at your post, Smithy.

[Stu]

Bad things are bound to happen to everyone. People then twist this into being some spiritual 'karma'.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Stu

Bad things are bound to happen to everyone. People then twist this into being some spiritual 'karma'.

Oh I know good/bad things are bound to happen to everybody, but Im talking about in equal amounts, if youve done something/s bad at like 7/10 on the 'bad' scale lets say, do you think something/s worth 7/10 bad would happen back to them?

I believe in it, I think given time, bad is repaid and good is rewarded. And that if youve done something bad, you can do something good to balance it out.

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Yep, I think I do,
The story's pretty long, so to cut the crap, he died :P

PMSL

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

Oh I know good/bad things are bound to happen to everybody, but Im talking about in equal amounts, if youve done something/s bad at like 7/10 on the 'bad' scale lets say, do you think something/s worth 7/10 bad would happen back to them?

I believe in it, I think given time, bad is repaid and good is rewarded. And that if youve done something bad, you can do something good to balance it out.

Why do you believe in it? It's basically just something people have invented in their heads. There is no empirical evidence whatsoever to suggest that bad things happen back in equal amounts to bad people, it's just an idea that looks cool so people believe in it.

[Shasown]

Karma doesnt work like that, good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good. Karma comes in very rarely in the current life. The lady Karma repays into the next life.

Personally I like to give her a hand.

[InOne]

Karma does not exist. Just like God doesn't. There is no special forces controlling anything in your life. If you think back to all the decisions you've ever made, they all relate to something practical. So in a way, it could be said our choices are pre-determined, but not by god or anything like that.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Stu

Why do you believe in it? It's basically just something people have invented in their heads. There is no empirical evidence whatsoever to suggest that bad things happen back in equal amounts to bad people, it's just an idea that looks cool so people believe in it.

I dont think everything needs evidence and has to be proven right or wrong myself. There is no point just accepting spoon fed facts and not allowing yourself to just believe in something you either like the idea of or could see it as an actual possibilty because there is no hard evidence? It is a belief, you either agree or disagree, there may not be 'proof' to support it, but there is also no proof to go against it - yet. But anyhow Ive seen a few cases in my life where I think Karma has had its way and thats why I believe in such thing.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

I dont think everything needs evidence and has to be proven right or wrong myself. There is no point just accepting spoon fed facts and not allowing yourself to just believe in something you either like the idea of or could see it as an actual possibilty because there is no hard evidence? It is a belief, you either agree or disagree, there may not be 'proof' to support it, but there is also no proof to go against it - yet. But anyhow Ive seen a few cases in my life where I think Karma has had its way and thats why I believe in such thing.

Oh my good god. Where do I begin?

First of all knowing that Karma is a false concept is not being 'spoon fed facts', it's just a fact.

Yes, hard evidence is important if you want to buy into an idea. Unless your some sort of moron who wants to give themselves carte blanche to believe in virtually anything. I believe in Batman. There.

No, Karma is not a 'belief' you can either agree or disagree with. It's just a false concept. Good and bad things happen to good and bad people in unequal amounts. It's the way the world works.

Yes, there is no proof to support it. Yes, there is proof to suggest it is a false concept. Scientists do conduct experiments and tests from time to time you know. It's there job. Just like they have debunked prayer, there is no empirical evidence to suggest a karmic universe.

So what cases in your life have led you to believe in karma? Because you drew the link between bad things happening to bad people? That's because bad things always happen to everybody if your paying attention to them. I'm sure your evidence is not exactly logistically coherent.

Unless of course you were following a select group of people whose paths have crossed, simultaneously following all of them throughout their daily routines and logging in some cosmic fucking notepad the time and details of all their fortunes and misfortunes.

No?

[Niamh.]

I believe in Karma of sorts. If people do bad things then bad things are more likely to happen to those people because people wont like them very much and will be less inclined to help them if they get into trouble and need some help and vice versa, more of a, you reap what you sow than Karma I suppose.

[Shaun]

No.

[Jords]

Why do you feel the need to force your opinion onto somebody if they do not think the same as you in such a patronising way Stu?

I think I kinda get the fact you dont believe in anything if there is no evidence, and although that could be seen as a sensible way about things so your not 'let down', I think a bit of belief is healthy. Im not really religious, but I class myself as Agnostic when it comes to debating if there is a God or not for example - because nobody actually knows, I guess Im just more open about possible theories.

[Shaun]

or you're just a wet blanket.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jords

Why do you feel the need to force your opinion onto somebody if they do not think the same as you in such a patronising way Stu?

I think I kinda get the fact you dont believe in anything if there is no evidence, and although that could be seen as a sensible way about things so your not 'let down', I think a bit of belief is healthy. Im not really religious, but I class myself as Agnostic when it comes to debating if there is a God or not for example - because nobody actually knows, I guess Im just more open about possible theories.

I feel the same way as you Jordy

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Jords

Why do you feel the need to force your opinion onto somebody if they do not think the same as you in such a patronising way Stu?

I think I kinda get the fact you dont believe in anything if there is no evidence, and although that could be seen as a sensible way about things so your not 'let down', I think a bit of belief is healthy. Im not really religious, but I class myself as Agnostic when it comes to debating if there is a God or not for example - because nobody actually knows, I guess Im just more open about possible theories.

Because it's not an opinion. That I find patronising. The fact that you want to degenerate a factual statement with no either or into just 'an opinion'. You make it sound like we have some sort of choice whether or not to believe in karma when we don't. At least not a real, viable choice. It's about the same choice as we have whether or not we want to believe the government is putting microphones in the walls and cameras in your shitter. Nil choice. Sure, you can believe in it if your slap happy, but it's not actually happening in the real world.

I never quiet understood where these belief arguments come from. As if belief is some healthy, enriching thing. It's the abandonment of reason in favour of a mind numbing, comforting 'magic' view of the world.

Belief should also indicate a plausible choice. Like you can't prove something either way. But we can prove karma is bollocks. So I'm not really sure what hope you are beliving in.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Shaun

or you're just a wet blanket.

Your stupid digs are pathetic Shaun!

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I feel the same way as you Jordy

Yeah I remember you telling me about being agnostic as I didnt know the word for what I was.


Bleh, focus on the subject of Karma and not why I think there is such thing please.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Because it's not an opinion. That I find patronising. The fact that you want to degenerate a factual statement with no either or into just 'an opinion'. You make it sound like we have some sort of choice whether or not to believe in karma when we don't. At least not a real, viable choice. It's about the same choice as we have whether or not we want to believe the government is putting microphones in the walls and cameras in your shitter. Nil choice. Sure, you can believe in it if your slap happy, but it's not happening.

I never quiet understand where these belief arguments come from. As if belief is some healthy, enriching thing. It's the abandonment of reason in favour of a mind numbing, comforting 'magic' view of the world.

Belief should also indicate a plausible choice. Like you can't prove something either way. But we can prove karma is bollocks. So I'm not really sure what hope you are beliving in.

For me the belief argument is vailidated because science only goes back so far, the bang bang theory is grand but where did the things that banged come from, where did the very first piece of matter or whatever the term is come from?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

For me the belief argument is vailidated because science only goes back so far, the bang bang theory is grand but where did the things that banged come from, where did the very first piece of matter or whatever the term is come from?

Well that's a whole kettle of fish, but just because science has not discovered somehting yet is no reason abandon it in favour of wild theorys that have already been disproven by other branches of science.

That tired creator argument you posed is smashed with the inevitable follow up question of who created the creator. That's it.

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/The_Big_Bang_Theory

Interesting read, right there.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Stu

Well that's a whole kettle of fish, but just because science has not discovered somehting yet is no reason abandon it in favour of wild theorys that have already been disproven by other branches of science.

That tired creator argument you posed is smashed with the inevitable follow up question of who created the creator. That's it.

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/The_Big_Bang_Theory

Interesting read, right there.

tbh I dont have any creator arguments at all Stu, this is why I would consider myself agnostic because I don't know either way, nobody does really

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

tbh I dont have any creator arguments at all Stu, this is why I would consider myself agnostic because I don't know either way, nobody does really

Questioning where the first elements of matter came from was the creator argument I was reffering to.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Karma does not exist. Just like God doesn't. There is no special forces controlling anything in your life. If you think back to all the decisions you've ever made, they all relate to something practical. So in a way, it could be said our choices are pre-determined, but not by god or anything like that.

I would be interested to know of what evidence you have that God does NOT exist. Down all the centuries since time immemorial nobody has definitively proved OR disproved the existence of God.