[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by InOne

What about just not doing out of respect for the country they are in? What you said basically shows how backwards the Middle East is in some places.

The point is for better or worse we have the right to wear what we want and it would be hypocrtical if we didn't offer that right to everyone. I'm not defendng middle eastern attitudes or governments I just said that to highlight the differences.

At the end of the day if someone chooses to wear a Burkha then I couldn't care less, obviously there should be some restrictions similar to hats or hoodies when it comes to security measures but ultimately people can wear what they want to wear for all I care.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The point is for better or worse we have the right to wear what we want and it would be hypocrtical if we didn't offer that right to everyone. I'm not defendng middle eastern attitudes or governments I just said that to highlight the differences.

At the end of the day if someone chooses to wear a Burkha then I couldn't care less, obviously there should be some restrictions similar to hats or hoodies when it comes to security measures but ultimately people can wear what they want to wear for all I care.

It's just a shame British Muslim Women wear it is a trend kind of then when really it is a symbol of opression. They probably don't even know what goes in those kind of countaries. I'm sure if they did they wouldn't be wearing it, unless they're forced, of course...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by InOne

It's just a shame British Muslim Women wear it is a trend kind of then when really it is a symbol of opression. They probably don't even know what goes in those kind of countaries. I'm sure if they did they wouldn't be wearing it, unless they're forced, of course...

I don't agree with the message of the Burkha but we can't ban it either without being hypocrites. If someone chooses to wear it then there's little room for debate really.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I don't agree with the message of the Burkha but we can't ban it either without being hypocrites. If someone chooses to wear it then there's little room for debate really.

I'm sure it's not the first time the goverment have been hypocrites, so there is still hope.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by InOne

It's just a shame British Muslim Women wear it is a trend kind of then when really it is a symbol of opression. ...

Also, why are British troops fighting in those countries because of that kind of oppression while it is OK here.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The point is for better or worse we have the right to wear what we want and it would be hypocrtical if we didn't offer that right to everyone. I'm not defendng middle eastern attitudes or governments I just said that to highlight the differences.

At the end of the day if someone chooses to wear a Burkha then I couldn't care less, obviously there should be some restrictions similar to hats or hoodies when it comes to security measures but ultimately people can wear what they want to wear for all I care.

Hang on a minute, you say "obviously there should be some restrictions", you can't say in one breath there should be freedom for burkas just because you don't care about them but in the next breath you say someone can't wear a hooded top.

And why are you making value judgements about so called 'hoodies' while you assume that anyone wearing a burka must be OK?

Explain how a hooded top is LESS of a security issue than a burka? Remember - anyone could wear a burka if they choose to under the current system.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Hang on a minute, you say "obviously there should be some restrictions", you can't say in one breath there should be freedom for burkas just because you don't care about them but in the next breath you say someone can't wear a hooded top.

And why are you making value judgements about so called 'hoodies' while you assume that anyone wearing a burka must be OK?

Explain how a hooded top is LESS of a security issue than a burka? Remember - anyone could wear a burka if they choose to under the current system.

Actually I was making a point that hats and Hoodies can't be worn in some places due to security concerns and that Burkhas should be treated the same, It shouldn't be banned but it shouldn't get any special treatment either. People are free to wear hoodies and hats but some places for CCTV reasons and such they disallow it, I'm saying if people want to wear a burkha then fine but it should adhere to the same rules as other clothing as well.

I thought that was very clear.

[brian3]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I think the principle of them abiding by our laws is very important! It isn't just about people being able to wear what they like - it is also about how women have equality and freedom in this country and the wearing of the burka clearly flies in the face of that! No exceptions for anyone!

But many Muslim women chose of their own free will to wear the burka. Are you not taking away their freedom to decide they want to wear one?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Maybe - but Muslim womens' freedoms shouldn't override other principles inherrent to British culture! Many women are offended to see such a symbol of female oppression rubbed in their faces on the streets of Britain! This is not a Muslim country - and Muslims should respect that, like it or not!

Do you live in a burka factory?

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

Do you live in a burka factory?

You jest - but as a male it is hardly surprising you don't understand or probably care how insulting such a symbol of female oppression can be to British women who have fought hard for equality for many decades!

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You jest - but as a male it is hardly surprising you don't understand or probably care how insulting such a symbol of female oppression can be to British women who have fought hard for equality for many decades!

Yes I jest, but hey, at least I drew some reverse sexism from the WOMBAI well. Us men don't give a sugar about women's rights grrrr.

You want to reverse womens rights and restrict a freedom by banning them from choosing to wear certain garments if they want to. You want to take away their right to wear a Burka. I get it. Jeez.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Stu

Yes I jest, but hey, at least I drew some reverse sexism from the WOMBAI well. Us men don't give a sugar about women's rights grrrr.

You want to reverse womens rights and restrict a freedom by banning them from choosing to wear certain garments if they want to. You want to take away their right to wear a Burka. I get it. Jeez.

So - you would be quite happy for them to do so at the expense of the feelings of many British women who would be offended - in other words, Muslim women's sensitivities and freedoms should be given priority to those of many British women who feel uncomfortable with it! As a gay/bi man would you feel the same way about groups of men walking around wearing a known, blatant symbol of homophobia!

[brian3]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You jest - but as a male it is hardly surprising you don't understand or probably care how insulting such a symbol of female oppression can be to British women who have fought hard for equality for many decades!

So female rights is about women having the right to do what they choose. as long is it is want other women want them to choose.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I think the principle of them abiding by our laws is very important! It isn't just about people being able to wear what they like - it is also about how women have equality and freedom in this country and the wearing of the burka clearly flies in the face of that! No exceptions for anyone!

Just not the freedom to choose ones headwear?

I couldn't give a rats ass if the woman wants to wear the burka herself. People are free to be as stupid as they want. What you are proposing is not freedom. It's the illusion of freedom. It's 'you are free to do what I think it's okay for you to do!'.

Let them wear what they want. Anything else is simply straight up hypocrisy. It's that black and white.