[Livia]

Originally Posted by vivsgirl

For me, a hero would be someone who risks their life in order to save another (e.g. someone diving in to dangerous water to save the life of another or entering a burning building to save someone's life) or maybe someone who devotes their life to, e.g. finding a cure for cancer or AIDS, or devotes their life to helping those less fortunate than themselves (e.g. Aid workers in war zones), or even an organ donor who saves a life through organ donation would qualify in my book.
Merely signing up for the British Army and being unlucky enough to be involved in a street bombing in Northern Ireland is not enough - if he had saved someone else in the process then I would doubtless reconsider.

Do you know why the army were in Northern Ireland? And what about the way he's supported and encouraged other young servicemen disabled by terrorist action? Does that not knock him up a notch or two on your impossibly idealistic scale of what makes a hero? Your posts show a great lack of knowledge about... well, a lot of things.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Do you know why the army were in Northern Ireland? And what about the way he's supported and encouraged other young servicemen disabled by terrorist action? Does that not knock him up a notch or two on your impossibly idealistic scale of what makes a hero? Your posts show a great lack of knowledge about... well, a lot of things.

Well lets be honest here, If the British army had never come across the water to Ireland in the first place there would have been no IRA.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Well lets be honest here, If the British army had never come across the water to Ireland in the first place there would have been no IRA.

I espect if we went back decades, you'd be right. I never knew a serviceman who wanted to go to Ireland. And really, if you asked anyone in the street in England what they thought about the Troubles, the consensus would probably be that what the IRA were asking for wasn't unreasonable. It's the way they went about it. Not saying that the Loyalist terrorists weren't as bad. And I acknowledge that the British army did some terrible stuff over the years.

It'd be a great world if we could all make a bit more of an effort to get on and understand each other. Maybe one day, eh?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I espect if we went back decades, you'd be right. I never knew a serviceman who wanted to go to Ireland. And really, if you asked anyone in the street in England what they thought about the Troubles, the consensus would probably be that what the IRA were asking for wasn't unreasonable. It's the way they went about it. Not saying that the Loyalist terrorists weren't as bad. And I acknowledge that the British army did some terrible stuff over the years.

It'd be a great world if we could all make a bit more of an effort to get on and understand each other. Maybe one day, eh?

No, you're absolutely right. In my opinion it started off as a noble cause (and I mean the start, not when they were bombing civilians in England btw) but in the end things had just gone too far to ever go back.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

I espect if we went back decades, you'd be right. I never knew a serviceman who wanted to go to Ireland. And really, if you asked anyone in the street in England what they thought about the Troubles, the consensus would probably be that what the IRA were asking for wasn't unreasonable. It's the way they went about it. Not saying that the Loyalist terrorists weren't as bad. And I acknowledge that the British army did some terrible stuff over the years.

It'd be a great world if we could all make a bit more of an effort to get on and understand each other. Maybe one day, eh?

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

No, you're absolutely right. In my opinion it started off as a noble cause (and I mean the start, not when they were bombing civilians in England btw) but in the end things had just gone too far to ever go back.

Yeah, I agree. The IRA's motives were justified, their means were not.

[vivsgirl]

Originally Posted by Livia

This is going to come as a shock to you... but no, it isn't any of your business how many kids he's got. THis is not China.

If selfish, ignorant people like Steve continue to have 8 kids, the UK may need to think about enforcing laws like China - it's not beyond the beyond. I'm not going to get on a soapbox here, but you need to do a bit of research and get some facts right. I maintain - if a person decides to have umpteen children, it concerns EVERYONE (even those thousands of miles away who've never even heard of Big Brother). If you are unable to see that, you must have a very small mind.

[vivsgirl]

Originally Posted by Livia

Do you know why the army were in Northern Ireland? And what about the way he's supported and encouraged other young servicemen disabled by terrorist action? Does that not knock him up a notch or two on your impossibly idealistic scale of what makes a hero? Your posts show a great lack of knowledge about... well, a lot of things.

I would say exactly the same to you. I feel you are both narrow-minded and entirely ignorant about stuff that to most people is basic common sense. We'll just have to agree to differ - I'm not getting into a slanging match. But suffice to say there are more people who seem to agree with me!

[Pato]

i think anyone who's willing to die for our country is a hero

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by vivsgirl

I would say exactly the same to you. I feel you are both narrow-minded and entirely ignorant about stuff that to most people is basic common sense. We'll just have to agree to differ - I'm not getting into a slanging match. But suffice to say there are more people who seem to agree with me!

I wouldn't say that! At least he supports his children! There are plenty of young men going around fathering children they neither see or support - hence the existence of the CSA! What about religious groups that have loads of children - really don't see why you are singling Steve out!

[BitterFruit]

Originally Posted by Zippy

He's never called himself one so its not fair to use it against him. He's a victim and a survivor. Thats enough.

Rebuilding your life physically and emotionally after such a tragedy takes great strength. You cant take that away from him.

But he is still a dull HM.

you can't say fairer than that ...really can't

[toby843]

Originally Posted by vivsgirl

For me, a hero would be someone who risks their life in order to save another (e.g. someone diving in to dangerous water to save the life of another or entering a burning building to save someone's life) or maybe someone who devotes their life to, e.g. finding a cure for cancer or AIDS, or devotes their life to helping those less fortunate than themselves (e.g. Aid workers in war zones), or even an organ donor who saves a life through organ donation would qualify in my book.
Merely signing up for the British Army and being unlucky enough to be involved in a street bombing in Northern Ireland is not enough - if he had saved someone else in the process then I would doubtless reconsider.

So in that vain, an organ donor who runs into the school he built for blind african aids victims when its on fire and drags out all the kids and the vital testube holding the cure for aids he's spent his life working on would be a super hero?? Sweet, there's hope for me yet.

[AquaShots]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

I wouldn't say that! At least he supports his children!

From what I can gather, I don't think he does to 3 of them. His wife is outraged that he hasn't even seen them for 6 years... the trouble when you go on a show like this is all your dirty washing gets aired for us all to see.

[MojoNixon]

AquaSquirts is back. Desperate JJ fan i see.

[AquaShots]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

AquaSquirts is back. Desperate JJ fan i see.

Put your glasses on then cos you are mistaken.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by AquaShots

Put your glasses on then cos you are mistaken.

No need, i guess you are that desperate, miserable Shabby lovin teen then.

[AquaShots]

Originally Posted by MojoNixon

No need, i guess you are that desperate, miserable Shabby lovin teen then.

You clearly have me confused with someone else.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by AquaShots

From what I can gather, I don't think he does to 3 of them. His wife is outraged that he hasn't even seen them for 6 years... the trouble when you go on a show like this is all your dirty washing gets aired for us all to see.

And his ex may have an enormous axe to grind - never listen to exes!

[AquaShots]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

And his ex may have an enormous axe to grind - never listen to exes!

oooh yeah true!

Especially if she thinks he has a chance of winning, and she wont see a penny of the prize! Good point!

[MojoNixon]

delete

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by AquaShots

You clearly have me confused with someone else.

Oh! So you are her EX??? So he did find hotter new wife after you

[moghirl]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

There was another thread on this but it got terribly sidetracked and was closed before I got to it so I opened this one to discuss the matter.

First of all, walking past a bomb and getting blown up does not make you a hero. That is an insult to the real heroes of the world. I would consider someone who did something exceptionally brave or someone who is solely responsible for saving another person's life in a crisis a hero. Walking past a barrel does not make you a hero just desperately unlucky.

Secondly, to those who say the fact he joined the forces in the first place makes him a hero as he was risking his life for freedom - he was fighting in Northern Ireland, the troubles were not about freedom they were about power and prejudice. Something which is in a way almost proven by how bigoted Steve has shown himself up to be in so many respects.

Brave for joining the army, yes. A hero, absolutely not.

Totally agree with you especially reagrds "The Troubles were not about freedom they were about power and prejudice " .. hear hear !

Servicemen and women know exactly what they're siging up to although I bet recruitment fail to elaborate on the facts that they could probably lose a limb or two and possibly come home in a box ..

Here's a wee tune by Billy Connolly that sums it all up ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdBoSu56_3Q

[Livia]

Originally Posted by vivsgirl

I would say exactly the same to you. I feel you are both narrow-minded and entirely ignorant about stuff that to most people is basic common sense. We'll just have to agree to differ - I'm not getting into a slanging match. But suffice to say there are more people who seem to agree with me!

LOL... don't judge me by your own low intellect. And no, you're not getting into a slanging match with me because if you did, you'd be lost.

I refer you to my footer.

[AquaShots]

Originally Posted by Livia

I refer you to my footer.

[MojoNixon]

Originally Posted by vivsgirl

I would say exactly the same to you. I feel you are both narrow-minded and entirely ignorant about stuff that to most people is basic common sense. We'll just have to agree to differ - I'm not getting into a slanging match. But suffice to say there are more people who seem to agree with me!

You and those another new accounts you have created?

[Late for the Party]

First you say this

Originally Posted by vivsgirl

If selfish, ignorant people like Steve continue to have 8 kids, the UK may need to think about enforcing laws like China

Then you finish your post with this

Originally Posted by vivsgirl

you must have a very small mind.

So how many kids, would steve be allowed have, if you were in charge of this hypothetical British Communist regime