[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Yes she was...but there was nothing that really stood out about her, was there? Only her upbringing [as I said, her 'back story].

I see Katie as another Diana Vickers type, to be honest. You'll either love her or you'll hate her - but that's why she deserves her spot, much more to her than some of the rejected girls.

i see what you're saying about katie but what annoys me most of all is all the chances she's been given when she's messed up so much, something is just not right there. Diana did good auditions to earn her place in the show.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by setanta

Interesting as in car crash performances? Fair enough.

What you consider personality is what I call vapid, manipulative and false. I prefer a voice with genuine warmth and style... the rest can be worked on with the right mentor.

Cher in particular is something we've never had on X Factor before, of course it's going to be interesting. She raps/sings - how is she going to take on Big Band Week? That's the kind of stuff I'm interested in. Someone like TreyC/Keri...not so interesting.

A personality can't be worked on with a mentor, really. You either have it or you don't. Bit like Rachel from last year, nice voice but dull as ***** to watch. And once she'd been pulled up on this she thought the best way forward was to copy Stacey Solomon's 'ditzy' personality - and it failed miserably, infact I think that's the week she left the show. It was laughable. You either have it or you don't.

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

i see what you're saying about katie but what annoys me most of all is all the chances she's been given when she's messed up so much, something is just not right there. Diana did good auditions to earn her place in the show.

That's a fair point, but the Live Shows will be the real test. If she messes up her words there then fair enough, then I'll reconsider my opinion on her, but right now [even if she has messed up before], I think she deserves her place for being a lot more interesting than the rest of the girls.

Don't forget Mary messed up her words at Judge's Houses - so it's not just Katie.

[setanta]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Cher in particular is something we've never had on X Factor before, of course it's going to be interesting. She raps/sings - how is she going to take on Big Band Week? That's the kind of stuff I'm interested in. Someone like TreyC/Keri...not so interesting.

A personality can't be worked on with a mentor, really. You either have it or you don't. Bit like Rachel from last year, nice voice but dull as ***** to watch. And once she'd been pulled up on this she thought the best way forward was to copy Stacey Solomon's 'ditzy' personality - and it failed miserably, infact I think that's the week she left the show. It was laughable. You either have it or you don't.

.

Well, I actually think Rachel is naturally ditzy whereas Stacey played that role to the max. Bit of a diva now apparently.

You either have a voice or you don't, that's what I think. Danni ruined Rachel's chances while the choices that Cheryl made this year are an indictment on the show itself and the way the music industry has become a conveyor belt for the newest fad, with genuinely great voices being cast aside for pretence. Gamu has it, they don't... they just have a look, and we'll be seeing them exiting the show very soon. There'll be a big back lash in voting, guaranteed.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Cher in particular is something we've never had on X Factor before, of course it's going to be interesting. She raps/sings - how is she going to take on Big Band Week? That's the kind of stuff I'm interested in. Someone like TreyC/Keri...not so interesting.

A personality can't be worked on with a mentor, really. You either have it or you don't. Bit like Rachel from last year, nice voice but dull as ***** to watch. And once she'd been pulled up on this she thought the best way forward was to copy Stacey Solomon's 'ditzy' personality - and it failed miserably, infact I think that's the week she left the show. It was laughable. You either have it or you don't.



That's a fair point, but the Live Shows will be the real test. If she messes up her words there then fair enough, then I'll reconsider my opinion on her, but right now [even if she has messed up before], I think she deserves her place for being a lot more interesting than the rest of the girls.

Don't forget Mary messed up her words at Judge's Houses - so it's not just Katie.

i dont think mary should have gone through as the judges are meant to be professional.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Cher in particular is something we've never had on X Factor before, of course it's going to be interesting. She raps/sings - how is she going to take on Big Band Week? That's the kind of stuff I'm interested in. Someone like TreyC/Keri...not so interesting.

A personality can't be worked on with a mentor, really. You either have it or you don't. Bit like Rachel from last year, nice voice but dull as ***** to watch. And once she'd been pulled up on this she thought the best way forward was to copy Stacey Solomon's 'ditzy' personality - and it failed miserably, infact I think that's the week she left the show. It was laughable. You either have it or you don't.



That's a fair point, but the Live Shows will be the real test. If she messes up her words there then fair enough, then I'll reconsider my opinion on her, but right now [even if she has messed up before], I think she deserves her place for being a lot more interesting than the rest of the girls.

Don't forget Mary messed up her words at Judge's Houses - so it's not just Katie.

PMSL, how did it fail? Rachel got the most votes that week.

People are allowed opinions, I think personally that she's one-dimensional.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Braden

PMSL, how did it fail? Rachel got the most votes that week.

Did she? Well I did say 'think', not that I knew. Didn't work for long though did it? She was out the following week.

Originally Posted by Braden

People are allowed opinions, I think personally that she's one-dimensional.

Of course they are...I've never said they're not allowed them, I'm just saying that A) it's not just a singing competition and B) in my opinion, Katie is more worthy of a place than some of the others mentioned.

I personally think Gamu is one-dimensional.

[Joelle.]

Don't forget Mary messed up her words at Judge's Houses - so it's not just Katie.

LOL! Mary forgot two words but she incorporated it into the song and she easily got through it.

On the other hand, Katie messed up the whole song, broke down in front of cheryl and didn't even finish the song.

There is quite a difference.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Juan_Sheet

LOL! Mary forgot two words but she incorporated it into the song and she easily got through it.

On the other hand, Katie messed up the whole song, broke down in front of cheryl and didn't even finish the song.

There is quite a difference.

She still 'messed up' though...that's the point.

And Mary is 50 and Katie is 24. There is quite a difference [especially when it comes to experience].

[Joelle.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

She still 'messed up' though...that's the point.

And Mary is 50 and Katie is 24. There is quite a difference [especially when it comes to experience].

She hardly messed up, she sang 'ive forgotten the words' and then just carried on as normal. Mary got through the song and didn't have to turn on the water works like attention seeking Katie.

[Stephanie]

Originally Posted by Juan_Sheet

LOL! Mary forgot two words but she incorporated it into the song and she easily got through it.

On the other hand, Katie messed up the whole song, broke down in front of cheryl and didn't even finish the song.

There is quite a difference.

exactly katie just started the dramatics, where as mary just sang i don't know the words or something in the song and carried on as normal.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Did she? Well I did say 'think', not that I knew. Didn't work for long though did it? She was out the following week.



Of course they are...I've never said they're not allowed them, I'm just saying that A) it's not just a singing competition and B) in my opinion, Katie is more worthy of a place than some of the others mentioned.

I personally think Gamu is one-dimensional.

Let people have opinions then.

And you still put that it failed regardless to how you knew what week she left, it obviously wasn't. The week she did it she had the msot votes, when she left it the week after, and was herself again...that's when she left.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Braden

Let people have opinions then.

I am...I just said that. I'm just justifying my opinion and debating my point, the others are doing the same with their opinions and points. I'm not telling anyone they have to like Katie/Cher etc, but I'm just saying why in my opinion they are worthy of their place.

Originally Posted by Braden

And you still put that it failed regardless to how you knew what week she left, it obviously wasn't. The week she did it she had the msot votes, when she left it the week after, and was herself again...that's when she left.

I could've sworn she continued it for two weeks...but oh well. Fair enough it didn't fail, my mistake...but she was still pretty dull aside from that [hence why she had to act like Stacey].

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Cher in particular is something we've never had on X Factor before, of course it's going to be interesting. She raps/sings - how is she going to take on Big Band Week? That's the kind of stuff I'm interested in. Someone like TreyC/Keri...not so interesting.

A personality can't be worked on with a mentor, really. You either have it or you don't. Bit like Rachel from last year, nice voice but dull as ***** to watch. And once she'd been pulled up on this she thought the best way forward was to copy Stacey Solomon's 'ditzy' personality - and it failed miserably, infact I think that's the week she left the show. It was laughable. You either have it or you don't.



That's a fair point, but the Live Shows will be the real test. If she messes up her words there then fair enough, then I'll reconsider my opinion on her, but right now [even if she has messed up before], I think she deserves her place for being a lot more interesting than the rest of the girls.

Don't forget Mary messed up her words at Judge's Houses - so it's not just Katie.

yes well I don't think Mary should be in the top 12 either!

[Stephanie]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

yes well I don't think Mary should be in the top 12 either!

me either :L