[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again you're belittling our opinions by saying that we don't know what we're on about because we're not parents. Can you actrually try and debate the points instead of writing the same thing over and over? Granted you feel strongly about this but you can't just sit there telling people they can't understand without partaking in the debate yourself.

How can you possibly know how you would feel if you don't have children?I said some people are living in Disney land and they are, if they believe that they could be so forgiving if God forbid someone harmed their child,I am not belittling anyone and you know that,I am posting my opinion which you don't like or agree with,so are now picking up on things i have said ,wrongly!! as you did when you posted i said i wanted people killed,I never said that at all.You cannot know a parents love until you are one,it's common sense I would have thought.I do not post the same thing over and over unless i have to keep explaining to people what i have posted,it might help if people read them properly!I do know what you are trying to doand your supposed to be TIBB staff!,LOL,I am allowed to disagree with you and your buddies you know.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally Posted by kazanne

How can you possibly know how you would feel if you don't have children?I said some people are living in Disney land and they are, if they believe that they could be so forgiving if God forbid someone harmed their child,I am not belittling anyone and you know that,I am posting my opinion which you don't like or agree with,so are now picking up on things i have said ,wrongly!! as you did when you posted i said i wanted people killed,I never said that at all.You cannot know a parents love until you are one,it's common sense I would have thought.I do not post the same thing over and over unless i have to keep explaining to people what i have posted,it might help if people read them properly!I do know what you are trying to doand your supposed to be TIBB staff!,LOL,I am allowed to disagree with you and your buddies you know.

Noone that I've seen has said that they would FORGIVE the person that committed that kind of crime though, not that I have seen anyway. They are just saying, as I am, that although the initial reaction would undoubtedly be to want to exact revenge, that is isn't the answer. I don't think anyone is in Disney Land and saying that it's okay and fine and dandy and let them get away with it, they should be locked up for the forseeable, for life in some cases, but taking away their life doesn't solve anything in the long run.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MissKittyFantastico

Noone that I've seen has said that they would FORGIVE the person that committed that kind of crime though, not that I have seen anyway. They are just saying, as I am, that although the initial reaction would undoubtedly be to want to exact revenge, that is isn't the answer. I don't think anyone is in Disney Land and saying that it's okay and fine and dandy and let them get away with it, they should be locked up for the forseeable, for life in some cases, but taking away their life doesn't solve anything in the long run.

But that is what some people want,the criminals to be locked up,not let out after a couple of years,but this is where it all goes wrong,they get a few years in a cushy jail and then let out, all we are saying we would want revenge,of course we would,but most of us would never follow it through,it is just the expressions people use when angry or disbelieving of certain things,My guess is there wouldn't be so many calling for the death penalty back if prison sentences were for life,as they should be for child murders,I would be happy NOT to kill them but let them stay locked up for the rest of their natural.

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally Posted by kazanne

But that is what some people want,the criminals to be locked up,not let out after a couple of years,but this is where it all goes wrong,they get a few years in a cushy jail and then let out, all we are saying we would want revenge,of course we would,but most of us would never follow it through,it is just the expressions people use when angry or disbelieving of certain things,My guess is there wouldn't be so many calling for the death penalty back if prison sentences were for life,as they should be for child murders,I would be happy NOT to kill them but let them stay locked up for the rest of their natural.

And I agree with this 100% and that's where the problem lies totally. Life doesnt mean life and prisons are too soft these days.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

But that is what some people want,the criminals to be locked up,not let out after a couple of years,but this is where it all goes wrong,they get a few years in a cushy jail and then let out, all we are saying we would want revenge,of course we would,but most of us would never follow it through,it is just the expressions people use when angry or disbelieving of certain things,My guess is there wouldn't be so many calling for the death penalty back if prison sentences were for life,as they should be for child murders,I would be happy NOT to kill them but let them stay locked up for the rest of their natural.

Originally Posted by MissKittyFantastico

And I agree with this 100% and that's where the problem lies totally. Life doesnt mean life and prisons are too soft these days.

yes! you see if the murderer was inside of a prison cell for the rest of their miserable life then whether or not to murder them would not even be an issue!

[MissKittyFantastico]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

yes! you see if the murderer was inside of a prison cell for the rest of their miserable life then whether or not to murder them would not even be an issue!

And that's what most people are saying, if the punishment fit the crime in this country then we wouldn't even be needing to have this debate. It's the system that's at fault and it is little wonder that people feel the way they do when the law is basically an ass at the moment.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MissKittyFantastico

And that's what most people are saying, if the punishment fit the crime in this country then we wouldn't even be needing to have this debate. It's the system that's at fault and it is little wonder that people feel the way they do when the law is basically an ass at the moment.

absolutely, same in this country unfortunately. The justice system is crazy, seems like the criminals have more rights than the victims which is so frustrating which is why I understand people taking matters into their own hands.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kazanne

How can you possibly know how you would feel if you don't have children?I said some people are living in Disney land and they are, if they believe that they could be so forgiving if God forbid someone harmed their child,I am not belittling anyone and you know that,I am posting my opinion which you don't like or agree with,so are now picking up on things i have said ,wrongly!! as you did when you posted i said i wanted people killed,I never said that at all.You cannot know a parents love until you are one,it's common sense I would have thought.I do not post the same thing over and over unless i have to keep explaining to people what i have posted,it might help if people read them properly!I do know what you are trying to doand your supposed to be TIBB staff!,LOL,I am allowed to disagree with you and your buddies you know.

I have sympathy and empathy because my family has suffered a violent loss, I know how I feel in situations like that because I've experienced it. I still feel as though capital punishment isn't the way because why would I want to pass that grief onto someone else? the criminal won't feel pain in the end he'll be dead but their family will be left to pick up the pieces. At least with imprisonment they can't escape what they've done.

I'm letting you have an opinion, I just don't agree with you attempting to silence others by saying they can't have an opinion because they're not parents which is essentiallly what you are doing whether you realise that or not. Have an opinion, but give others that same right. That's all I'm saying. Having children doesn't give you a supreme knowledge of law or ethics so who are you to tell other people that they don't understand when we're debating this. You can't exclude people from that.

Just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion, I'm not breaking any rules here, I've not attacked you personally so stop trying to make me out to be the bad guys here, It's just taking away from any arguments you do have as you can't argue a point without getting personal with other members.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I have sympathy and empathy because my family has suffered a violent loss, I know how I feel in situations like that because I've experienced it. I still feel as though capital punishment isn't the way because why would I want to pass that grief onto someone else? the criminal won't feel pain in the end he'll be dead but their family will be left to pick up the pieces. At least with imprisonment they can't escape what they've done.

I'm letting you have an opinion, I just don't agree with you attempting to silence others by saying they can't have an opinion because they're not parents which is essentiallly what you are doing whether you realise that or not. Have an opinion, but give others that same right. That's all I'm saying. Having children doesn't give you a supreme knowledge of law or ethics so who are you to tell other people that they don't understand when we're debating this. You can't exclude people from that.

Just because I'm a mod doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion, I'm not breaking any rules here, I've not attacked you personally so stop trying to make me out to be the bad guys here, It's just taking away from any arguments you do have as you can't argue a point without getting personal with other members.

Who am I trying to silence?I said(once again)you cannot know how you would feel if it was your child if you have none!people can have what opinions they like,I do not profess to have supreme knowledge,but I DO have knowledge,I wish I didn't but I do,so I can and will voice my opinion,i have never said i wanted capital punishment,WHY do you keep quoting things I have never said?Who have I been personal to that havent been personal to me?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Who am I trying to silence?I said(once again)you cannot know how you would feel if it was your child if you have none!people can have what opinions they like,I do not profess to have supreme knowledge,but I DO have knowledge,I wish I didn't but I do,so I can and will voice my opinion,i have never said i wanted capital punishment,WHY do you keep quoting things I have never said?Who have I been personal to that havent been personal to me?

There's this thing called Empathy? We can empathise but ultimately I can't agree with capital punishment, I was raised to respect human life and I just see it as extinguishing a life out of nothing but revenge. I don't like bringing it up but I do know of the anger a person feels when they lose a family member to crime.

You wouldn't appreciate it if I posted stuff like' You don't UNDERSTAND! You've never lost anyone to violent crime so you can't grasp how it feels!' So why should you be allowed to shut people down by saying they can't grasp the issue at hand because they're not parents? Treat people how you want to be treated Kazanne.

You've been personal to me, Twice in the last page you've been quoted for attacking me over being a mod when I've not said anything personal to you or anybody. When it comes to modding I'm very careful and impartial and I rarely act without things being reported and if I do I'll explain why to the other mods. I go to a lot of lengths to be as impartial as possible so I don't appreciate you trying to discredit and attack me over being a mod when I'm not breaking any rules by partaking in the debate. I've never attacked you personally I've just disagreed with your methods of arguing.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's this thing called Empathy? We can empathise but ultimately I can't agree with capital punishment, I was raised to respect human life and I just see it as extinguishing a life out of nothing but revenge. I don't like bringing it up but I do know of the anger a person feels when they lose a family member to crime.

You wouldn't appreciate it if I posted stuff like' You don't UNDERSTAND! You've never lost anyone to violent crime so you can't grasp how it feels!' So why should you be allowed to shut people down by saying they can't grasp the issue at hand because they're not parents? Treat people how you want to be treated Kazanne.

You've been personal to me, Twice in the last page you've been quoted for attacking me over being a mod when I've not said anything personal to you or anybody. When it comes to modding I'm very careful and impartial and I rarely act without things being reported and if I do I'll explain why to the other mods. I go to a lot of lengths to be as impartial as possible so I don't appreciate you trying to discredit and attack me over being a mod when I'm not breaking any rules by partaking in the debate. I've never attacked you personally I've just disagreed with your methods of arguing.

So you don't agree with capital punishment,when have i ever said you should?or that I do? I am not being personal about you being a mod,but it is blindingly obvious when reading posts that SOME mods let their pals get away with posting stuff that others can't,that is not an attack,i've observed it,infact there was quite an argument about biased mods on the BB forum,I also don't appreciate you trying to make out I am some sort of vigilante where criminals are concerned,but I would gladly strap a couple of them to a railway line(that is my personal thought,it's not something I would do)I don't think,,Most of the mods here are ok,but I have had run ins with a couple before,people have often been personal to me,but mostly it's overlooked and if i feel someone is out of order,I will say so,I know people don't like me for it but that's me,take it or leave it.I say what i feel please or offend.