[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by Zippy

dont get me started with the Gamalulu pictures again...

LOL she's planning revenge from Zimbabweville.

[Jords]

Anyway, I do get the appeal of Cher but Im just arguing the case that her and Katie are NOT the only ones to have The friggin' X Factor.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

So you think its fixed? Given your thoughts then the auditions process is useless and this year it does seem like the judges have hand picked their fave without considering vocal ability.

No? When did I say it was fixed? I said there would be cries of fix if there wasn't an Audition process and the Judge's/producers just picked some peopple off of the street. That's not a fair competition. Auditions have to be held anyway or else where are they going to find people like Cher? And the Auditions is to most people [not me] the most popular part of the show, because you get the most entertainment out of it. So it's not entirely 'useless', it's just that they bore me after a while...

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Jack_

For an average mainstream chart artist nowadays I'd say that's not bad going. I doubt any X Factor contestant [maybe with the exception of Leona, but even that's pushing it] is going to have a 20 year career.

Alex will still be around in 10 years, so will Leona. They can reinvent themselves time and time again because they proved themselves to be very versatile (moreso Alex) so when her career hits the skids she can get it back on track with a new sound. Meanwhile, Cher won't be able to do that. If they have disco week or divas week shes screwed.

I wouldn't be surprised if JLS were still going in 10 years either, Girls Aloud managed it

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Jords

Anyway, I do get the appeal of Cher but Im just arguing the case that her and Katie are NOT the only ones to have The friggin' X Factor.

I think the only other one that has it is Matt, I could see him being another Shayne. Possibly One Direction tapping into the JLS market...

And then to a lesser extent Rebecca, and TreyC [same market as Alexandra, really]. Oh, and maybe Aiden.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Jords

Anyway, I do get the appeal of Cher but Im just arguing the case that her and Katie are NOT the only ones to have The friggin' X Factor.

I think they are in the sense that their talent is not as obvious. Its something that draws people but hard to pinpoint why.

The ones with great voices have their only real talent out there on show. Thats their appeal and we get it.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Tom

Alex will still be around in 10 years, so will Leona. They can reinvent themselves time and time again because they proved themselves to be very versatile (moreso Alex) so when her career hits the skids she can get it back on track with a new sound. Meanwhile, Cher won't be able to do that. If they have disco week or divas week shes screwed.

I wouldn't be surprised if JLS were still going in 10 years either, Girls Aloud managed it

Okay, fair point, but I think out of this years acts, Cher, along with a couple of others, all have the chance to sustain a career of a few years. It's better for them to have the potential to have a career than have no potentital to have a career whatsoever ...

[MTVN]

The X Factor is not just about finding the person who is techinically the best singer. It's about finding the next big artist, finding someone who could succeed in the music industry.

And to do that you need looks, a prominent personality, originality, you need someone who people want to talk about, someone making headlines. Cher is doing that without a doubt. Of course, you need to have a good voice as well, but you need so much more than that, and that is why John could never win.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The X Factor is not just about finding the person who is techinically the best singer. It's about finding the next big artist, finding someone who could succeed in the music industry.

And to do that you need looks, a prominent personality, originality, you need someone who people want to talk about, someone making headlines. Cher is doing that without a doubt. Of course, you need to have a good voice as well, but you need so much more than that, and that is why John could never win.

I don't mind people criticising Cher about her personality or performances because obviously on here we all have different opinions and like different acts but i've noticed in general some of the critics of her and Katie do go on as if they've committed a crime sometimes.. I just see it as a Saturday night entertainment show and if some want to take it seriously fair enough, but theres no need to go OTT when theres other things more important out there.

[fruit_cake]

I think Matt, Aiden and Rebecca are the only ones with X-factor.. I don't really understand the idea of 'groups' it always seemed to me that 5 rubbish singers don't make one good singer.. but I suppose a good group is more about image than singing ability so one direction are a good group and so are belle amie IMO

[Tom]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The X Factor is not just about finding the person who is techinically the best singer. It's about finding the next big artist, finding someone who could succeed in the music industry.

And to do that you need looks, a prominent personality, originality, you need someone who people want to talk about, someone making headlines. Cher is doing that without a doubt. Of course, you need to have a good voice as well, but you need so much more than that, and that is why John could never win.

The X Factor is first and foremost an entertainment show and its mainly used to promote the winners single and any other Sony artists releasing singles towards the end of the year. Any careers that comes once the series is over is just a bonus. Noone actually cares for the acts once they've left the competition or once the series is over, just like Big Brother

Don't be fooled into thinking its a genuine talent competition, its not

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Tom

The X Factor is first and foremost an entertainment show and its mainly used to promote the winners single and any other Sony artists releasing singles towards the end of the year. Any careers that comes once the series is over is just a bonus. Noone actually cares for the acts once they've left the competition or once the series is over, just like Big Brother

Don't be fooled into thinking its a genuine talent competition, its not

I agree, it is an entertainment show. But what they want out of a winner is someone who can succeed in the music industry, they don't really care that much about finding the best singer imo.

[_Seth]

They're both annoying little sluts with bad attitudes.

[Kate!]

Having the X Factor emcompasses talent, and likeability.

Cher hasn't got it!

Matt, Rebecca, Treyc, Mary and One Direction have for sure.

Most contestants have one or the other, some have neither.

I won't upset people by being specific.

[Kazanne]

I really hope Cher does NOT win as imo she has weak vocals,she doesn't have the 'look' as people say and her head really shouldn't get any bigger as she will be falling over!!!she is not sexy or attractive,but I can understand kids will like her!

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by sweetsophiefan

Having the X Factor emcompasses talent, and likeability.

Cher hasn't got it!

Matt, Rebecca, Treyc, Mary and One Direction have for sure.

Most contestants have one or the other, some have neither.

I won't upset people by being specific.

I agree with this and hope Matt goes on to win.

[Zippy]

Mary doesnt have the Xfactor. Just a big voice and a humble story. Its Andy the binman all over again.

Bingo cabaret.

Yawn.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Mary doesnt have the Xfactor. Just a big voice and a humble story. Its Andy the binman all over again.

Bingo cabaret.

Yawn.

Andy > Mary

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Andy > Mary

Oh I agree. I liked Andy. He had soul at least.

I meant the humble story angle.

Why do people want to be entertained by drab, ordinary people who work on supermarket checkouts? Dont get it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Oh I agree. I liked Andy. He had soul at least.

I meant the humble story angle.

Why do people want to be entertained by drab, ordinary people who work on supermarket checkouts? Dont get it.

Oh yeah I agree with that. Every week with Mary in her VT they seem to mention it, having a mundane job really isnt that interesting