[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I dont even get what you mean.

You're making assumptions about what she knew. If she didnt know what order they would be asked then she probably assumed she'd be asked last like is usually the case.

When asked she effectively did say "Ill vote last so I can take it to a deadlock if need be".

I don't think any judge should have to eliminate their own acts. Its not even necessary with the current rules.

But she didnt protest that she didn't get a vote. That alone speaks volumes.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

But she didnt protest that she didn't get a vote. That alone speaks volumes.

you've lost me. A hard decision was taken out of her hands and you want her to start protesting and causing a scene about it?

o...k..

[Beastie]

The producer's fault in Dermot's ear.

They didn't want to keep the bore that is Treyc!

[James]

My suggestion.

They should have the judges privately write down the name of the person they are voting to send home, then show them one-by-one. Much fairer.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Zippy

you've lost me. A hard decision was taken out of her hands and you want her to start protesting and causing a scene about it?

o...k..

No. She's a judge. She has a right to vote. She didn't put up much of a protest when that right was taken away from her. She said she'd take it to deadlock but when TreyC was voted off why didnt she insist on deadlock?

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by James

My suggestion.

They should have the judges privately write down the name of the person they are voting to send home, then show them one-by-one. Much fairer.

Lol it's like going back to school!

I agree it was a fix but Treyc was a bore and I prefer Katie.

I still feel a bit sorry for Treyc though.

It was worse last year. When bloody boring Lloyd Daniels stayed over Rachel. Lloyd was kept in to keep the teeny girls happy. A lot of the teeny girls go on The X Factor tour.. so they would prefer to see Lloyd instead of Rachel

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by James

My suggestion.

They should have the judges privately write down the name of the person they are voting to send home, then show them one-by-one. Much fairer.

its not a bad idea,but still the judges could look at what name there writing down.

[Zippy]

Cheryl said she would take it to deadlock but Dermot overruled her and said they would just take the majority verdict of the other 3 judges. Maybe they had time issues.

I dont think Cheryl had a chance to protest even if she wanted to as it all happened so fast. I think she was just relieved to not have to make a decision herself.

[Legend killer]

After watching last nights show Cheryl has annoyed me more than i ever thought was possible. The bitch is getting paid millions and yet refuses to do what she is getting paid for.

Why the **** is she making a big deal of voting one of her acts of when she ovi doesnt care that much about them IE: ****en off to the states instead of helping them prepare for there performances

Get rid of the annoying Geordie and bring in someone who will actually do what there suppose to be getting paid for IE: Myself

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

After watching last nights show Cheryl has annoyed me more than i ever thought was possible. The bitch is getting paid millions and yet refuses to do what she is getting paid for.

Why the **** is she making a big deal of voting one of her acts of when she ovi doesnt care that much about them IE: ****en off to the states instead of helping them prepare for there performances

Get rid of the annoying Geordie and bring in someone who will actually do what there suppose to be getting paid for IE: Myself

For once, I am saying nothing more than I totally agree with all you said above.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

After watching last nights show Cheryl has annoyed me more than i ever thought was possible. The bitch is getting paid millions and yet refuses to do what she is getting paid for.

Why the **** is she making a big deal of voting one of her acts of when she ovi doesnt care that much about them IE: ****en off to the states instead of helping them prepare for there performances

Get rid of the annoying Geordie and bring in someone who will actually do what there suppose to be getting paid for IE: Myself

Legend, you'd make a better judge than Cheryl.. you have my vote!!!

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by Legend killer

After watching last nights show Cheryl has annoyed me more than i ever thought was possible. The bitch is getting paid millions and yet refuses to do what she is getting paid for.

Why the **** is she making a big deal of voting one of her acts of when she ovi doesnt care that much about them IE: ****en off to the states instead of helping them prepare for there performances

Get rid of the annoying Geordie and bring in someone who will actually do what there suppose to be getting paid for IE: Myself

well said and i also want to see you as a judge

[Mystic Mock]

legend killer for x factor judge?

[tate]

spot on Legend Killer

[alc09]

She hasn't come out of this very well at all, silly woman.

[Tom]

I think people are missing the point that Dermot said "we're going to do a majority vote, is that OK" whilst pointing at Cheryl. We never saw Cheryls reaction but considering the way they continuted, you can guarantee she said yes

But hey if it lets people have yet another go at Cheryl then thats OK isnt it

[Rawrbear]

I 100% agree it was unfair on cheryl
i mean she also turned to a hate figure abit out of order

[patsylimerick]

If you're in the sing off and you get four votes to go home, you go home. If you get three votes to go home, you go home. If you get two votes to go home, it goes to deadlock. Treyc got two votes to go home. It didn't go to deadlock. This, to me, was a clear production decision to keep Katie in. The Cheryl fans on here are at pains to argue that Cheryl didn't know they were going to go to her second. Maybe she didn't. The point, however, is that Treyc is her act, she was her mentor. Surely it's her job to protect her act from a blatant injustice, no? And she blatantly didn't. Also, please stop acting like the toilet-attendant puncher is a delicate waif who needs to be defended from criticism. She's laughing all the way to LAX in 1st class at the X Factor fans. She needs to grow some metaphorical balls if she's to maintain any semblance of credibility.

[nanaimo]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

If you're in the sing off and you get four votes to go home, you go home. If you get three votes to go home, you go home. If you get two votes to go home, it goes to deadlock. Treyc got two votes to go home. It didn't go to deadlock. This, to me, was a clear production decision to keep Katie in. The Cheryl fans on here are at pains to argue that Cheryl didn't know they were going to go to her second. Maybe she didn't. The point, however, is that Treyc is her act, she was her mentor. Surely it's her job to protect her act from a blatant injustice, no? And she blatantly didn't. Also, please stop acting like the toilet-attendant puncher is a delicate waif who needs to be defended from criticism. She's laughing all the way to LAX in 1st class at the X Factor fans. She needs to grow some metaphorical balls if she's to maintain any semblance of credibility.

Hear Hear!

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This isnt about cheryl though.

Its about WHY they chose to go to her second and make her LOOK like an idiot for not voting, instead of going last like every other mentor who has had 2 acts in the bottom. The option to take it to deadlock, should have been there.

I agree with Vicky here, and we will only know the motives behind the change at the end of the series because:

if it turns out Treyc had the least vote, then all conspiracy theories dont really work,

if it turns out Katie had the least vote, then quite rightly the fix looks like a ploy to prevent going to deadlock and so save Katie, and also save Cheryl voting off Treyc which she would of been slaughtered for like after her judges house fiasco. This scenario would be hard to prove but insinuates that the judges are pre-warned of a deadlock outcome so as to leave the act the producers/show/Scowell want.

IMO all this has left a bad taste in the mouth and as someone has said in another thread, Big Brother tampered with the format and crashed and burned....X-factor should be careful as it's lost all credibility this series.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

If you're in the sing off and you get four votes to go home, you go home. If you get three votes to go home, you go home. If you get two votes to go home, it goes to deadlock. Treyc got two votes to go home. It didn't go to deadlock. This, to me, was a clear production decision to keep Katie in. The Cheryl fans on here are at pains to argue that Cheryl didn't know they were going to go to her second. Maybe she didn't. The point, however, is that Treyc is her act, she was her mentor. Surely it's her job to protect her act from a blatant injustice, no? And she blatantly didn't. Also, please stop acting like the toilet-attendant puncher is a delicate waif who needs to be defended from criticism. She's laughing all the way to LAX in 1st class at the X Factor fans. She needs to grow some metaphorical balls if she's to maintain any semblance of credibility.

You are still missing the point that I've repeated numerous times today.

Cheryl confirmed she was refused to vote - therefore the rule is her vote is then void. It happened to Sharon in Series 4 and it happend last night. With Cheryl's vote void, there's only three votes left - making it a majority vote. No conspiracies whatsoever. Cheryl wouldn't have been able to object as she quite clearly confirmed, when asked, that she was refusing to vote. Like I said somewhere else, if Dannii had backtracked after she'd voted Katie and said 'oh wait, I've changed my mind, can I send home TreyC?', do you really think they would have allowed it? Or if on 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?', after the contestant has said 'final answer', they changed their mind - do you think they'd be able to change their answer then? No, no they wouldn't. And the same applies here, as it does in most TV shows. The first [or 'final' answer] is set in stone.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You are still missing the point that I've repeated numerous times today.

Cheryl confirmed she was refused to vote - therefore the rule is her vote is then void. It happened to Sharon in Series 4 and it happend last night. With Cheryl's vote void, there's only three votes left - making it a majority vote. No conspiracies whatsoever. Cheryl wouldn't have been able to object as she quite clearly confirmed, when asked, that she was refusing to vote. Like I said somewhere else, if Dannii had backtracked after she'd voted Katie and said 'oh wait, I've changed my mind, can I send home TreyC?', do you really think they would have allowed it? Or if on 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?', after the contestant has said 'final answer', they changed their mind - do you think they'd be able to change their answer then? No, no they wouldn't. And the same applies here, as it does in most TV shows. The first [or 'final' answer] is set in stone.

they still delibrately asked cheryl second so she couldnt take it to deadlock,and it makes a mockery of the show when last year rachel was easily better than lloyd on almost everything,yet he stayed because it was rachels 3rd time in the bottom 2 which is fair enough,but why get rid of rachel for that excuse but not katie who also forgot the words to the song?

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by Jack_

You are still missing the point that I've repeated numerous times today.

Cheryl confirmed she was refused to vote - therefore the rule is her vote is then void. It happened to Sharon in Series 4 and it happend last night. With Cheryl's vote void, there's only three votes left - making it a majority vote. No conspiracies whatsoever. Cheryl wouldn't have been able to object as she quite clearly confirmed, when asked, that she was refusing to vote. Like I said somewhere else, if Dannii had backtracked after she'd voted Katie and said 'oh wait, I've changed my mind, can I send home TreyC?', do you really think they would have allowed it? Or if on 'Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?', after the contestant has said 'final answer', they changed their mind - do you think they'd be able to change their answer then? No, no they wouldn't. And the same applies here, as it does in most TV shows. The first [or 'final' answer] is set in stone.

Yes, but was Sharon asked last of the three? If she was, then the cases are not comparable at all. I don't remember this incident with Sharon, so I don't know. The 'conspiracy theories' are very much centred upon the fact that Cheryl was asked to bow out - as she was obviously going to do, she has the spine strength of an amoeba - early on; so the Deadlock was completely ruled out. In any event, the point of MY post was that Cheryl did absolutely nothing to try and ensure fairness for Treyc. Fairness for her, given that she had only two votes to go home, would be access to the public vote results. That, as I said, was my point.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

I agree with Vicky here, and we will only know the motives behind the change at the end of the series because:

if it turns out Treyc had the least vote, then all conspiracy theories dont really work,

if it turns out Katie had the least vote, then quite rightly the fix looks like a ploy to prevent going to deadlock and so save Katie, and also save Cheryl voting off Treyc which she would of been slaughtered for like after her judges house fiasco. This scenario would be hard to prove but insinuates that the judges are pre-warned of a deadlock outcome so as to leave the act the producers/show/Scowell want.

IMO all this has left a bad taste in the mouth and as someone has said in another thread, Big Brother tampered with the format and crashed and burned....X-factor should be careful as it's lost all credibility this series.

It loses "all" credibility every series when things like that happen, first and foremost its an entertainment show and this kind of stuff keeps the show afloat

Katie & Treyc were never going to win, they're just making up numbers and at this stage Treyc is far easily disposed of because shes had very little impact this series

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

they still delibrately asked cheryl second so she couldnt take it to deadlock,and it makes a mockery of the show when last year rachel was easily better than lloyd on almost everything,yet he stayed because it was rachels 3rd time in the bottom 2 which is fair enough,but why get rid of rachel for that excuse but not katie who also forgot the words to the song?

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Yes, but was Sharon asked last of the three? If she was, then the cases are not comparable at all. I don't remember this incident with Sharon, so I don't know. The 'conspiracy theories' are very much centred upon the fact that Cheryl was asked to bow out - as she was obviously going to do, she has the spine strength of an amoeba - early on; so the Deadlock was completely ruled out. In any event, the point of MY post was that Cheryl did absolutely nothing to try and ensure fairness for Treyc. Fairness for her, given that she had only two votes to go home, would be access to the public vote results. That, as I said, was my point.

No, she was asked first - hence why I compared the two. It was the first Live Show of Series 4 and it was the episode where she 'walked off', after refusing to vote when she had two of her acts in the Bottom Two. The same applies here, except Cheryl was asked second, not first. Not much difference.

I don't buy into the fact that the order they were asked in was 'fixed'. They were pushing for time, and probably felt it would be easiest to just go from right to left without thinking it through. I personally think it's irrelevant when a Judge is asked for their vote, when you're asked you give your vote - and if you refuse to vote then that's your decision. The Judge should not be in control of the voting order - and I can guarantee, that if for some bizzarre reason Cheryl had got her way, and they had gone back to her, all of her haters would be doing the rounds of internet forums continuing to claim she is 'favoured' and 'special' etc etc. She can't win.

And 'access to the public votes'? You really think that, upon request of Cheryl and other members of the public, they are going to give out access to the voting figures so far this series? It's never going to happen. Voting figures are released at the end of every series - so as not to effect the outcome of future votes during the series. That's not going to change for anyone, neither should it.

In short; she was required to cast her vote second, she refused - her vote was voided. Simple.