[dirtyvileHARRYuk]

Originally Posted by Shasown

So the OP, TiBB's resident poet rebel without a clue, believes in anarchy, the rule of the mob?

Op-ion, I presume you mean opinion? Wasn't the opinion of the voting public taken a few short months ago that led to the current government or has your memory of that faded?

So glad you understand the reason for these and other future cuts. To reduce the economic deficit created by your heroes in the last government.

Instead of cuts what do you propose should replace them? Massive tax hikes for everyone?

Or do you just want the country to borrow more and more money to fund your easy lifestyle and then go Bankrupt?

what do i propose? emmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the people that got us in this mess ie the bankers and all the filthy rich corupt politicians should back it back and the normal average person dose not have to contribute to any of it as it was not at all our fault.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by dirtyvileHARRYuk

what do i propose? emmmmmmmmmmmmmmm the people that got us in this mess ie the bankers and all the filthy rich corupt politicians should back it back and the normal average person dose not have to contribute to any of it as it was not at all our fault.

It was a world wide recession started off by the yanks, it's effects were increased in the UK by the Labour Government. They oversaw the way the banks were being run. They were also responsible for running the UK economy into the ground by thier borrow and spend policies.

The average person also lives/relies on credit to some extent. This in turn contributed to the recession.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Shasown

It was a world wide recession started off by the yanks, it's effects were increased in the UK by the Labour Government. They oversaw the way the banks were being run. They were also responsible for running the UK economy into the ground by thier borrow and spend policies.

The average person also lives/relies on credit to some extent. This in turn contributed to the recession.

And getting millions of students into mortgage-sized debts is going to correct that?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

And getting millions of students into mortgage-sized debts is going to correct that?

A slight over exagerration there dont you think?

It is one of a number of measures to reduce the size of public sector spending. I dont know if you have noticed but other areas of the public sector have to make cuts too.

What is so wrong with paying for extended education? Bearing in mind if they dont earn over a set amount they dont repay. Would you prefer everyone to get a tax hike so that students get a university education for free?

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Shasown

A slight over exagerration there dont you think?

I don't think so. £9000 per year for tuition fees is £27000, factor in the maintenence loans, an additional £11,000. Then you have the interest charges which could run on for decades depending on the sort of work you get. Students are looking at having debts of around £40,000 hanging over their heads. God help you if you hope to fund a PhD or other graduate qualification. Okay, we're not exactly talking a house ideal for middle class family of four, but there are council houses you can buy for that sort of money.

Originally Posted by Shasown

It is one of a number of measures to reduce the size of public sector spending. I dont know if you have noticed but other areas of the public sector have to make cuts too.

What is so wrong with paying for extended education? Bearing in mind if they dont earn over a set amount they dont repay. Would you prefer everyone to get a tax hike so that students get a university education for free?

Universities can't be immune to cuts at this time. I am not saying they ought to be or that they are more important than social services (who are about to suffer utterly crippling cuts), welfare or transport. I just resent higher education being privatised which is what this essentially is, lets not mince words.

I believe this is a deliberate effort on the part of the Conservative party to dismantle universities and transform higher education into a purely utilitarian, philistine pursuit reserved mainly for aspiring management consultants, lawyers and accountants. It is absolutely the worst thing they could have done in a time when not even a lack of elementary numeracy or literacy is necessarily a barrier to a cushy admin job or even completing a degree.

Even if this system weren't so potentially damaging. How do universities hope to regularly secure the revenue they need when they are relying not on applicants, but graduates (and not until they are earning a certain amount either) to subsidise them?