[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

Tbh nobody has made any intelligent replies to any of my post as of yet.
What do you want be to back up?
The fact that Scotland is dependent on England or that Irelands economy is a bigger mess than Alex Salmond's face?
Because I'm sure I can find more than a few articles.

Our economy is none of your concern as we are not part of the UK.

[brian3]

What about the isle of man, Jersey, Guernsey, the Falklad islands and Gibralter. You going to include them in your plan?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

England is the only country that can support itself. Scotland are just scroungers who are claiming independence half the time and then are begging england for billions.
Ireland is what any of the 3 countries will turn into with out England.

Your so dim it's actually hysterical.

[Zippy]

I can see N.Ireland being integrated back into Ireland at some point.

But Scotland and Wales is far more complex. They clearly don't want full independence as they currently kinda get the best of both worlds...their own parliament and identity but with the UK safety net.

I don't see it changing anytime soon. Too much effort. Maybe if the monarchy ever gets abolished it may trigger a move towards truly separate countries.

[arista]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

Our economy is none of your concern as we are not part of the UK.

True
You are in the --Go And Get Stuffed Euro Club

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zippy

I can see N.Ireland being integrated back into Ireland at some point.

But Scotland and Wales is far more complex. They clearly don't want full independence as they currently kinda get the best of both worlds...their own parliament and identity but with the UK safety net.

I don't see it changing anytime soon. Too much effort. Maybe if the monarchy ever gets abolished it may trigger a move towards truly separate countries.

A Nuke in a Van
could do that.
No warning.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Dasher

Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales VS England.

just under 10m people in NI, Scotland and Wales with 51.4m living in England...

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Baby Zeesus

I think the main problem I have with your post, and the reason why N.I., Scotland and Wales are so vehemently opposed to an entirely united UK is when you say "but they're ultimately ruled by England." It's ignorant and big headed to say something like that, which is why so many people from the other three nations actively dislike the English. :/

Its not ignorant or big headded to say that. The UK is a bigger and more powerful entity than the 4 countries together; the UK parliament can overrule any legislation set by the Scottish or N.Irish parliaments.

[Patrick]

[Z]

Originally Posted by Tom

Its not ignorant or big headded to say that. The UK is a bigger and more powerful entity than the 4 countries together; the UK parliament can overrule any legislation set by the Scottish or N.Irish parliaments.

Yes, the United Kingdom is, not England - which is what you said in your post.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by Baby Zeesus

Yes, the United Kingdom is, not England - which is what you said in your post.

Its based in London and is the same parliament that governs England.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Tom

Its based in London and is the same parliament that governs England.

Just because it's based in London, doesn't mean England rules over the other three. Your ignorance is a stereotypical view that creates animosity towards the English.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

Our economy is none of your concern as we are not part of the UK.

Oh well then if thats the case can we have our 3 and 1/4 billion quid back. Oh and could you drop a line to the bureaucrats in europe and tell them not to ask the UK for any coin to save your failing economy in the future?

I am so glad you understand the inter relationships between international economies.

[ILoveTRW]

Originally Posted by Mr. Tinsels

Your so dim it's actually hysterical.

Sorry which university did you go to?
Oh wait you don't need any qualifications to be a full time druggie.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

Sorry which university did you go to?
Oh wait you don't need any qualifications to be a full time druggie.

The implication being that going to University automatically means you are a smart, well rounded individual? That must be one of the most baseless, frighteningly pretentious things you could possibly say in an argument.

I'm doing a course in film and TV production right now, dumbass. And smoking a bit of pot and drinking hardly makes you a 'full time druggie'.

You should know. You went to University. Bottom feeder.

[ILoveTRW]

Originally Posted by Mr. Tinsels

The implication being that going to University automatically means you are a smart, well rounded individual? That must be one of the most baseless, frighteningly pretentious things you could possibly say in an argument.

I'm doing a course in film and TV production right now, dumbass. And smoking a bit of pot and drinking hardly makes you a 'full time druggie'.

You should know. You went to University. Bottom feeder.

A course in film and tv production, wow I take everything back, you are a little smartie

[Stu]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

A course in film and tv production, wow I take everything back, you are a little smartie

Yeah film and tv is so gay. I'm such a looser.

No you just got punk'd the hell out for looking like an absoloute prat parading on about how you went to university therefore you must be an intelligent, ignorance free person not considering that the argument is flawed beyond belief and the person you are talking to might also be attending university. And that's not to mention the wonderful assumption that I'm a 'full time druggie'.

And you wonder why I called you dim. The idea of you schooling someone else on a countrys cultural contributions and self sufficiency is worth more laughing smileys than the limits will allow. You jumped in at the deep end and rightly got attacked by multiple people for having absoloutely no idea what you are talking about. As usual.

Ireland's economic woes have nothing to do with it's independence from England. It has everything to do with the few and the greedy messing it up for the rest of us. Something that happens in plenty of other countries. Before that our economy was on absoloute fire as an independent Republic.

Look up the term 'celtic tiger', special needs.

[ILoveTRW]

Originally Posted by Mr. Tinsels

Yeah film and tv is so gay. I'm such a looser.

No you just got punk'd the hell out for looking like an absoloute prat parading on about how you went to university therefore you must be an intelligent, ignorance free person not considering that the argument is flawed beyond belief and the person you are talking to might also be attending university. And that's not to mention the wonderful assumption that I'm a 'full time druggie'.

And you wonder why I called you dim. The idea of you schooling someone else on a countrys cultural contributions and self sufficiency is worth more laughing smileys than the limits will allow. You jumped in at the deep end and rightly got attacked by multiple people for having absoloutely no idea what you are talking about. As usual.

Ireland's economic woes have nothing to do with it's independence from England. It has everything to do with the few and the greedy messing it up for the rest of us. Something that happens in plenty of other countries. Before that our economy was on absoloute fire as an independent Republic.

Look up the term 'celtic tiger', special needs.

So if Ireland was part of the UK it would still be in the same mess right now?

[Stu]

It's a question that's impossible to fathom. You cannot possibly begin to try and answer it given so many other factors would have to be taken into account with regard to how it would have affected world history and economics. What you are saying is fucking retarded. I suppose that's what I'm getting at. And I'm certainly no expert on the matter. Difference is I don't pretend to be. You made your original post not out of some intensive economic probing on your part ... but because your just a bit ignorant and can't appreciate Ireland because it doesn't get enough sunlight to produce quality Reality TV ... or we have too many foxes ... or something else daft like that.

You might want to look up Ireland's record during British rule though. We didn't exactly flourish.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Mr. Tinsels

Ireland's economic woes have nothing to do with it's independence from England. It has everything to do with the few and the greedy messing it up for the rest of us. Something that happens in plenty of other countries. Before that our economy was on absoloute fire as an independent Republic.

Look up the term 'celtic tiger', special needs.

Very true, Irelands economic boom from the mid 90's through to 2007 was envied around the world, a great pity that recent governments didnt have a forward thinking economic policies and profits werent wisely re-invested to buffer the economy.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Very true, Irelands economic boom from the mid 90's through to 2007 was envied around the world, a great pity that recent governments didnt have a forward thinking economic policies and profits werent wisely re-invested to buffer the economy.

We never kicked Fianna Fail out and it has come back to haunt us. They couldn't capatalize on what they helped start and the small mindedness of the voting majority refued to realize alternatives existed instead of good old reliable Fianna Fail.

Of course this is all meaningless to ILoveTRW who has not even factored in the idea of multiple parties, ideologies and systems of regulation. It's either 'Ireland' runs Ireland ... some abstract shadowy force of control ... or England runs Ireland.

[ILoveTRW]

Originally Posted by Mr. Tinsels

but because your just a bit ignorant and can't appreciate Ireland because it doesn't get enough sunlight to produce quality Reality TV

Actually The Real World: Dublin is in the pipeline

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

So if Ireland was part of the UK it would still be in the same mess right now?

That question is a bit like asking what would the world be like if the yanks were still one of our colonies isnt it? One thing is for sure Ireland wouldnt have had the economic success it did.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Oh well then if thats the case can we have our 3 and 1/4 billion quid back. Oh and could you drop a line to the bureaucrats in europe and tell them not to ask the UK for any coin to save your failing economy in the future?

I am so glad you understand the inter relationships between international economies.

Why do you think you lending us money gives you a claim to our country?

[Stu]

His not saying that. Just pointing out how our economies are very interconnected. You cant say to someone 'oh well your in England so our economy is of no concern to you'. England are our biggest trading partner. Of course it matters.