[Beastie]

Originally Posted by Snowball

I can't stand the woman, but in fairness to her: if it were my child, I'd be doing the same, it's really not on.

This.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Nope it isnt, if it even got to court it would be rapidly dismissed, there have been cases in the past where comedians have been sued for slander, all the decisions in these cases were decided on what a reasonable person would think of the comment and the intent behind them.

There have been numerous cases in the past were comedians have been sued. In all those cases the general nature of the comedians act is examined, One of the more high profile cases was with Sasha Barren Cohen in his Alii G guise, he was sued on both sides of the Atlantic. Both suits were dismissed.

Did Boyle infer it was true or does he just throw out random offensive ideas as his act. His intent is not to break news or even suggest there is any truth in what he says, he simply tries to offend and shock.

Incidentally it would have to be Katie Price who sued him, Ofcom cant do that. She didnt say she would sue for libel, probably because she has already spoke to her lawyer and been informed the best she can hope for is Channel 4 to get him to apologise.

I never said Ofcom could or would do that, If you read back I said all they would probably do is make him apologise which you so swiftly pointed out they could not do.

Definition of slanderous : 1. Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

I believe that what he said fits into the second definition pretty well, she may not win a case but it would definitely be arguable non the less.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

Not really because what he said wasn't true, so in fact it could be classed as slanderous

It was a joke, slander only applies to when something is said as fact or on a medium that present itself as factual. Slander doesn't come into it, all she can do is try and suck on the limelight and post a complaint with Ofcom. If she tried to present it as slanderous she'd get laughed out of court.

Saying you disagree with that definition is like saying that Grass is blue, say it all you want it doesn't mean it's true.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

I never said Ofcom could or would do that, If you read back I said all they would probably do is make him apologise which you so swiftly pointed out they could not do.

Definition of slanderous : 1. Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

I believe that what he said fits into the second definition pretty well, she may not win a case but it would definitely be arguable non the less.

You've made our point for us. A joke isn't classed as a statement or report....it's a joke.

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by JackFrost

Of course I can. Because it's a joke. Not intended to be in any way deliberately malicious, just, you know...a joke.

As far as I'm concerned, there is no 'line' that cannot be crossed with jokes. Because they're exactly that...jokes. Whether you find them funny or not is irrelevant, the fact that they're not intended to be malicious or be taken seriously means that there's no grounds for complaining, IMO.

And no, before someone mentions it, I would not care if someone joked about my child like that. I might not find it funny, but I would understand that it was a joke and not to be taken seriously. I have an uncle with down's syndrome but I still wouldn't be offended by jokes on the subject. I might not find them funny, but I wouldn't be offended and I certainly wouldn't complain. And no - that doesn't mean I don't care for my uncle either, as I've said, it just means I know it's just a joke...



There's a difference though, the former is intended seriously, the latter isn't

Ahh you made a point there Jack. People always say "Joke" to try and get off the hook. Eventhough some people can be a bit malicious and nasty with "jokes". I do agree that the majority who say jokes say it out of jest.

I have not seen Frankie Boyle making this joke on the show yet. However it also depends how he comes across while saying the joke. However he may get away with it because most comedians are a bit contrived in the way they come across whilst saying "a joke".

Anyway in my opinion the joke was tasteless. However I am not going to complain. But if I was in Katie Price's position I would complain. I don't blame her for her actions.

I do think this all may blow out of proportion. I think maybe a simple apology from Frankie Boyle himself may be enough.

[arista]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010...le-katie-price

[Angus]

I do not believe that anyone on here would shrug their shoulders and say "oh it was only a joke" if such an offensive and disgusting remark had been made about their disabled child/relative/friend whatever. I hate Katie Price with a passion, but I can totally understand how she feels, and I would have reacted with fury as well. It must be so hurtful when people make fun of Harvey who has not had the greatest breaks in life and will need 24/7 care all his life. There is no joke that could ever be funny enough to justify mocking his disabilities.

Frankie Boyle seems to be trying to fill the gap left by the uber offensive deceased "comic" Bernard Manning, and is getting ever more desperate judging by the depths to which he is prepared to plumb in order to get a cheap laugh - after all what sort of person finds that comment remotely funny except a complete moron?

[arista]

2nd Showing of this show
is on Ch4 tonight at 11:05PM

Will they Edit it
or not show that edition?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NingleBells

I never said Ofcom could or would do that, If you read back I said all they would probably do is make him apologise which you so swiftly pointed out they could not do.

Definition of slanderous : 1. Law Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.
2. A false and malicious statement or report about someone.

I believe that what he said fits into the second definition pretty well, she may not win a case but it would definitely be arguable non the less.

The definition of slander you gave is a good dictionary definition but doesnt really encompass the legal definition. As applies to UK Law.

Slander requires you to show that you have suffered either

1 financial loss, or

2 that your business, trade or professional reputation was damaged, or

3 that you have been accused of one or more of the following:-

Of having committed a criminal offence
Of having a contagious disease
Of immoral conduct (women only!)

1 and 3 above can be ruled out she wasnt accused of anything criminal or immoral, in fact it was said she was scared of an act being committed against her. She hasnt lost any earnings because of it.

As for the damage to reputation, Jordan would have to weigh up how a normal person views her. Then she would have to prove to the court the statement Boyle makes actually harms her reputation.

Seeing as a fair proportion of people view her as a publicity *****, would a court look upon the claim as a stunt for publicity.

Just one thing to think about though, Channel 4 are quite good at ensuring they dont get sued, some of the content they have transmitted in the past has been close to the mark, but on the whole they tend to screen programs for content that may result in litigation being directed at them. Did they do it this time? Bet your ass they did.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shasown

The definition of slander you gave is a good dictionary definition but doesnt really encompass the legal definition. As applies to UK Law.

Slander requires you to show that you have suffered either

1 financial loss, or

2 that your business, trade or professional reputation was damaged, or

3 that you have been accused of one or more of the following:-

Of having committed a criminal offence
Of having a contagious disease
Of immoral conduct (women only!)

1 and 3 above can be ruled out she wasnt accused of anything criminal or immoral, in fact it was said she was scared of an act being committed against her. She hasnt lost any earnings because of it.

As for the damage to reputation, Jordan would have to weigh up how a normal person views her. Then she would have to prove to the court the statement Boyle makes actually harms her reputation.

Seeing as a fair proportion of people view her as a publicity *****, would a court look upon the claim as a stunt for publicity.

Just one thing to think about though, Channel 4 are quite good at ensuring they dont get sued, some of the content they have transmitted in the past has been close to the mark, but on the whole they tend to screen programs for content that may result in litigation being directed at them. Did they do it this time? Bet your ass they did.

I'm sure they have got themselves well covered, and I do have a sense of humour, I wouldn't normally bat an eyelid at things comedians come out with, I just think what he said was way too far and absolutely disgusting. I think it's deserving of some form of punishment eventhough It's probably unlikely.

[arista]

Originally Posted by arista

2nd Showing of this show
is on Ch4 tonight at 11:05PM

Will they Edit it
or not show that edition?

Ch5 News contacted Ch4 on this Repeat showing

Ch4 said it is showing it again - But a new pre-warning
is now added.


So Jordan - you lost.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Vixen

Haha good point. TBF offcom seem pretty useless in every situation

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/about/annual...eriod-2010-11/

Financial penalties imposed for the period 01/04/2010 to 31/03/2011
Company Amount Date
Teletext Ltd £225,000 27/05/2010
DM Digital £17,500 20/07/2010
Bang Channels Limited and Bang Media (London) Limited £157,250 29/07/2010

[Omah]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...e-Boyle-s-DVD/

KATIE Price is urging fans to boycott sick comic Frankie Boyle’s Christmas DVD over his “jokes” about her disabled son.

Since Boyle, 38, made his vile gags about eight-year-old Harvey on his Channel 4 show, web forums have been flooded with people slamming the Scot.

His latest DVD repeats the sick jokes and also sees him making fun of Baby P, soldiers in Afghanistan and the Lockerbie air disaster. Glamour girl Kate, 32, said: “I am shocked and disappointed to discover that Boyle and Channel 4 have seen fit to include his vile sexual remarks about Harvey on a DVD for sale to the general public this Christmas.

“I hope no-one buys it. I also hope that with hindsight, and knowledge of the content, that retailers will withdraw it from sale.”

This Boyle sounds like a right "sick comic" - I hope he becomes unemployable .....

[keithafc]

I thought the 'joke' about Harvey was out of order to some degree because Frankie Boyle would not like that being done to one of his kids if there was something wrong with them but by far the worst joke out of the lot was the cancer joke which I thought was disgusting and actually mocking such an illness that people do face and kids face, is just disgusting.

I am one of the most dark humoured people you could meet. I find a lot of things funny which have a dark side to them but that was just unbelievably bad and nasty to Jade Goody. Don't care what you think of Jade Goody but it was terrible in its taste.

And people say 'well its only a joke' but Boyle doesn't put it across in a sort of manner which would make you think that. You get many comedians which do 'dark jokes' like Jimmy Carr but you never really think its that bad with him but Boyle does have problems imo.

[Omah]

...as Ofcom investigates

Channel 4 has stood by Frankie Boyle, by repeating Tramadol Nights without cutting his contentious joke about Katie Price's disabled son Harvey.

The second screening comes after the model’s lawyers lodged a formal complaint with TV watchdogs Ofcom, after the broadcaster declined to apologise for the gag.

The regulator will now launch an investigation into whether the joke breached the broadcasting code on harmful and offensive material after receiving about 50 complaints.

In the letter to Ofcom, Price's lawyers Archerfield Partners drew comparisons with Jonathan Ross and Russell Brand's comments about Andrew Sachs's granddaughter that caused such ructions.

They wrote: ‘The central offence in that broadcast was that Mr Brand had “******” Andrew Sach's granddaughter. Clearly, Mr Boyle goes far beyond that – as Brand and Ross managed to avoid referencing disability, rape, incest and paedophilia."

The law firm added that the gag ‘singles out a vulnerable individual… who is recognizable, meaning these comments expose him to ridicule and humiliation’.

The episode, which first aired on Tuesday, was repeated at 11.05pm last night as scheduled and without cuts.

I'm not surprised at C4 - their producers have massive egos and no moral judgement whatsoever .....

Read more: http://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2010/1...#ixzz17nPzOsaW

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view...e-Boyle-s-DVD/



This Boyle sounds like a right "sick comic" - I hope he becomes unemployable .....

Originally Posted by keithafc

I thought the 'joke' about Harvey was out of order to some degree because Frankie Boyle would not like that being done to one of his kids if there was something wrong with them but by far the worst joke out of the lot was the cancer joke which I thought was disgusting and actually mocking such an illness that people do face and kids face, is just disgusting.

I am one of the most dark humoured people you could meet. I find a lot of things funny which have a dark side to them but that was just unbelievably bad and nasty to Jade Goody. Don't care what you think of Jade Goody but it was terrible in its taste.

And people say 'well its only a joke' but Boyle doesn't put it across in a sort of manner which would make you think that. You get many comedians which do 'dark jokes' like Jimmy Carr but you never really think its that bad with him but Boyle does have problems imo.

Have to agree with these posts.

I have a pretty sick and black sense of humour but there are boundaries and Frankie Boyle has crossed them.

Wasn't he booted off, 'Whose Line Is It Anyway" (mmm.... was it that show or am I thinking of another), for something similar? I can't recall the subject matter but it was something in extremely bad taste.

I mean, jokes about Baby P...... what kind of deranged mind would even consider that poor child's short life on this earth and the way he suffered, as amusing, or anything to laugh at. Seriously?

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Snowball

Wasn't he booted off, 'Whose Line Is It Anyway" (mmm.... was it that show or am I thinking of another), for something similar? I can't recall the subject matter but it was something in extremely bad taste.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankie_Boyle#Controversy

Boyle managed to attract censorship in August 2008 when complaints were received after comments he made about British swimmer Rebecca Adlington on Mock The Week. The BBC ruled that the jokes were indeed "humiliating" and "risked offending the audience", whilst also calling Boyle "a brilliant member of the team". Despite this, Adlington's agent said that simply admitting mistakes was not enough, saying: "By giving Frankie Boyle a rebuke they fail to discourage others from doing the same."

Boyle's 2010 tour attracted negative media attention over a routine about Down's syndrome, after he received a complaint from audience member Sharon Smith, whose daughter has the genetic condition. Her feelings about the routine were made public after she posted details of the event on her personal blog. Boyle's response to the incident on stage was to laugh and try and steer the topic back onto comedy, saying "Oh, well, it's all true isn't it?",[ later adding "This is my last tour. I don't give a **** what people think."

What a nasty piece of work .....


PS

Ofcom said a judgement made over Boyle's comments would not be determined until the new year.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11969507

[Kazanne]

Broadcasting watchdog Ofcom has launched an investigation into Frankie Boyle's show after Katie Price complained about a joke he made about her disabled son.

Price accused the comic of being a "bully" after he made comments about her son Harvey, who suffers from septo-optic dysplasia and autism, on his show Tramadol Nights.

A spokesman for Ofcom said: "We can confirm that we have received a complaint from Katie Price. Having considered this and other viewers' concerns, we have now launched an investigation into the show."

Price on Thursday announced that she had asked her lawyers to contact the watchdog if Channel 4 did not apologise.

A spokeswoman for the channel said: "Channel 4 has replied directly to Katie Price's lawyer. Given this has now gone to Ofcom it would be inappropriate for us to comment further."

In a statement put on her website, Price described her son as "a little miracle".

It continued: "If Mr Boyle had a 10th of his courage and decency he would know that to suggest, let alone think funny, that Harvey may sexually attack me is vile and deeply unfair. To bully this unbelievably brave child is despicable, to broadcast it on television is to show a complete and utter lack of judgment."

A message at the beginning of Boyle's programme, broadcast on Tuesday night, warned viewers the show contained "very strong language and uncompromising adult content".

It is not the first time the comedian's jokes have landed him in trouble. In April he had an on-stage argument with the mother of a Down's syndrome child after making fun of the condition, while in August 2008 he said Olympic swimmer Rebecca Adlington looked like "someone who's looking at themselves in the back of a spoon".

The Ofcom investigation is likely to consider whether the show broke sections of the Broadcasting Code about "generally accepted standards" of material which could be deemed offensive.

[MTVN]

I have to admit I did laugh when I heard the joke

[CaraRawr]

I detest Katie Price but tbh I'm on her side. That joke was absolutely vile.

[Tom4784]

I can't really support Katie Price in this as she's just looking to soften her image, she probably watched the episode and shrieked with glee as it would give her a chance to fool people into thinking she's not a ****ing vampire.

Ironically Frankie Boyle gad a good point on Free Speech on his newest dvd but I can't find the clip. It would have suited this argument well.

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11976410

Head of Comedy, C4, Shane Allen said: "We are aware that Frankie Boyle's comedy can be very challenging which is why we have gone to careful lengths in scrutinising the material editorially, in scheduling the series appropriately and by giving clear and strong warnings into each of the programmes.

"We think that it is important that a space on terrestrial TV exists for comedy that takes risks and pushes boundaries and we stand by our original decision to broadcast the programme."

I hope that he has to eat his words in the New Year .....

[Omah]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11976410

Mencap's campaigns manager, Esther Foreman, who said: "It is disgusting that Frankie Boyle has chosen to target a child with a disability with these so-called jokes.

"Ignorant views like this help to fuel the verbal and physical abuse that people with a disability, and their families, are regularly subjected to. Comedy like this takes us back to the dark ages."

She said: "How can we eradicate negative stereotypes and expect the general public to treat people with a disability with the respect they deserve when such vile jokes are aired on national television?

Exactly ..... C4 is apparently run by intellectually-challenged teenagers on a work experience course .....

[Omah]

Channel 4 has defied a storm of protest to repeat a programme that made grotesquely obscene comments about Katie Price’s disabled son.

The level of criticism about the remarks, made by controversial comedian Frankie Boyle, was so high that the broadcaster was forced to stop taking complaints on its website.

That broadcast attracted more than 100 complaints, including one from Miss Price, who urged her fans to boycott the 38-year-old comedian’s DVD, which also features the jokes.

The programme – which also contains offensive jokes about the late TV star Jade Goody, who died of cervical cancer, and a sketch about a woman performing a sex act on ‘Jesus’ on the cross – is still available to watch on Channel 4’s website 4OD.

Michele Elliott, founder of childrens’ charity Kidscape, called for Channel 4 to be censured and fined. She said: ‘Frankie Boyle should learn to keep his mouth shut if he has nothing better to say. But the real culprit here is Channel 4. It didn’t have to broadcast the comments and it didn’t have to repeat them.’

On Friday Ofcom said it would investigate the programme for breaches of sections 2.1 and 2.3 of the Broadcasting Code, which cover generally accepted standards in content and the use of offensive language. In a statement Ofcom said: ‘We can confirm that we have received a complaint from Katie Price. Having considered this and other viewers’ concerns we have now launched an investigation into the show.’

Ofcom can fine the broadcaster up to five per cent of its advertising revenue if it is found to be in breach of guidelines. In 2009 Channel 4 earned £575 million from advertising revenue, so it could face a fine of up to £28 million. Other penalties include being forced to make an on-air apology or having the incident recorded on its broadcasting history.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz17rCbMPg1

[Omah]

She watched Amir fight Marcos Maidana at the Mandalay Bay casino last night - and joined him at a special post-fight dinner.

Alex, 34, who is at home in Surrey, rang Katie and told her he was fuming at the hook-up.

Katie had earlier been overheard moaning to make-up artist Gary Cockerill about the man she married in February.

A source revealed: "She was cackling about how the last time she was pictured with Amir it got her into trouble - but she just said 'bring it on'."

Oh dear .....

Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/...#ixzz17vOpDj9k