[mrscolumbo]

Well put Jobsfortheboys - I consider the packaging (inner) to hold vital dna as it would have only been handled by Joanna and the culprit - if the culprit swept the apartment clean as to leave no evidence as what had taken place on the evening of the 17th - probably not even the need for wearing marigolds etc to clean up - person must have been mighty relieved that the bins had been emptied on the Tuesday morning especially once the police had made a link with the timeline of the purchase of the pizza and Joanna's murder a couple of days later.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

Ah so the packaging - if it is ever found - could implicate an innocent person too - someone who was keeping the residents bin area clean and clear of rubbish like the good landlord Mr Jefferies would do.

yes.

Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys

The pizza box and the door will have vital pieces of the killers DNA on them.

The pizza box will have been disposed of for one reason only and thats because the killers DNA will have been on or inside the box. It will have been slightly harder to dispose of the front door in the same way as the pizza box and thats why the police have taken it away to be painstakenly scrutinised.

Yes there will be loads of fingerprints on it from delivery men and postmen etc. But what they are trying to find are fingerprints with pizza on them which can be matched to the pizza she bought. I think they can date fingerprints to within 6 hours.

One point to ponder on is that it seems highly likely she knew the killer to let him share her pizza because a random killer coming in off the street would not bother about sitting down and cooking or eating someones pizza after he has just killed somebody. And its unlikely she would have offered him a piece beforehand. So why would a stranger bother about taking a pizza box???

I have referred to the killer as a "he" because I dont think its a "she"

'The missing pizza box and your assumption that it has been disposed of because it holds vital DNA clues' - is precisely that. An assumption. It could have been disposed of by Joanna herself, innocently and into the bin outside. There is no 'one reason only' about it. It is however the only lame thing the police appear to have.

The front door is 'slightly harder to dispose of than a pizza box' (wtte). Feck me... no **** Sherlock !! Sorry.. but come on..... that type of comment just cannot be taken seriously.

They are trying to find prints that match prints with pizza on them and the type of pizza Jo bought? Now I would say that really sounds like a real pie in the sky idea but if some expert out there cares to explain, I'm open to consideration. I think I get what you mean but I really do think that's fairy tale stuff. (but hey, you could be right... I just happen to think it sounds too bizarre to be real).

The missing pizza box is a complete red herring imo. But we shall wait and see.

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

Well put Jobsfortheboys - I consider the packaging (inner) to hold vital dna as it would have only been handled by Joanna and the culprit - if the culprit swept the apartment clean as to leave no evidence as what had taken place on the evening of the 17th - probably no need for wearing marigolds etc to clean up - person must have been mighty relieved that the bins had been emptied on the Tuesday especially once the police had made a link with the timeline of the purchase of the pizza and Joanna's murder.

Well put my bum. You couldn't answer the question yourself but had to get someone else to try pick up the pieces mrscolumbo. I'll ask you again: what vital DNA do you think the inner packaging will hold apart from possible fingerprints? What DNA exactly?

As for the rest (no need for marigolds).

Every good killer keeps a fresh unused supply of Marigolds in their inner jacket pocket, didn't you know?

[mrscolumbo]

No Pyramid thats news to me about the marigolds lol - however as I said early if the (inner) packaging has fingerprints of someone who claim they were else where after the purchase then case closed.

[mrscolumbo]

yeah I often cook and eat in my sheepskin mits lol.

[JobsForTheBoys]

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

yeah I often cook and eat in my sheepskin mits lol.

I think she's been on the pop.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys

I think she's been on the pop.

cheeky bugger!

Fraid not. Back to work tomorrow and driving. Nae booze allowed.

[mrscolumbo]

Hang on jobsfortheboys hardly call Bollinger 'pop' - seriously though can't agree with your opinion that she wasn't on foot between shopping after leaving the pub - the route she took and the phone call to her best friend works out correct google earthed the direction she would have taken in cojunction with the timeline

[mrscolumbo]

Pyramid - no it is not my obsevation that the pizza was eaten by Joanna and company - have not made any comment about who eat the pizza if indeed the pizza had been consumed - but if you care for an opnion I reckon the pet cat had munched on it cos it had either been left out on the side uncooked - taken into account that the poor animal had been left alone and unfed since 17th Dec. - ready for going in the oven - or it had been taken out of the oven put on the side cooked but before it could be consumed Joanna met her death - simple!

[JobsForTheBoys]

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

Pyramid - no it is not my obsevation that the pizza was eaten by Joanna and company - have not made any comment about who eat the pizza if indeed the pizza had been consumed - but if you care for an opnion I reckon the pet cat had munched on it cos it had either been left out on the side uncooked - taken into account that the poor animal had been left alone and unfed since 17th Dec. - ready for going in the oven - or it had been taken out of the oven put on the side cooked but before it could be consumed Joanna met her death - simple!

So if the cat ate the pizza, what happened to the box????? Did it eat that as well?

[JobsForTheBoys]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Well put my bum. You couldn't answer the question yourself but had to get someone else to try pick up the pieces mrscolumbo. I'll ask you again: what vital DNA do you think the inner packaging will hold apart from possible fingerprints? What DNA exactly?

The killers DNA. Licking their fingers then grabbing another piece of pizza.

And another thing. I dont think she walked from the pub and around all those shops either.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Scott

did mrscolumbo join tibb just to solve this mystery

It would appear so. Not that so far, any great headway has been made.

Originally Posted by mrscolumbo

No Pyramid thats news to me about the marigolds lol - however as I said early if the (inner) packaging has fingerprints of someone who claim they were else where after the purchase then case closed.

Nope: you didnt say that. You've changed your slant on the story - previously you were discussing the box.

Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys

The killers DNA. Licking their fingers then grabbing another piece of pizza.

I thought the killer didn't have the time nor inclination to cook and eat pizza??

Oh... you mean because she shared that same pizza. Then went out walkabout with the same person afterwards (bearing in mind that CJ said he saw what the thought to be Joanna and 2 others).

And another thing. I dont think she walked from the pub and around all those shops either.

I'm not entirely convinced that she walked all the way home from the pub/shops either though my mind tells me that if CJ was as nosey as he's been made out to be,that he'd have heard a car stopping to let her out, car doors being closed shut, see her walking down the path etc.....

[Pyramid*]

Oh.... one small point to consider.

Given external temperatures on the weekend in question: it's not beyond reasonable doubt that the killer was wearing gloves to keep their little handies warm..... and if so, could very well blow the fingerprint theories on boxes / doors / inner pizza wrappings etc right out of the window.

[JobsForTheBoys]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Oh.... one small point to consider.

Given external temperatures on the weekend in question: it's not beyond reasonable doubt that the killer was wearing gloves to keep their little handies warm..... and if so, could very well blow the fingerprint theories on boxes / doors / inner pizza wrappings etc right out of the window.

Who eats pizza with gloves on?????????????

[marney]

Someone mentioned the other bottle of cider and the police keep giving extra bits of information out. Jo had apparently sent a text to her brothers friend inviting him around to the flat. Life in Bristol might seem ideal for the young but it can be lonely.
He did not reply to her text and the symptoms of Joes death and the similarities to the one in 74 would rule him out having been too young. Jo they say was kind hearted and she had not had a reply from her text message so she could have offered the pizza and other bottle of cider to someone else in her block of flats, if she saw someone nearby or even took it to them. The police have not said anything about the other bottle but was it found in the suspects flat or green collection. If this is the case would they not have been able to identify Jo s finger print on that bottle. Looking for the Pizza seems to be a bit of a red herring ,that could have been binned and tipped as was the case before they started searching rubbish. They probably know who it is but will they do the right thing and nail them. The suspects employ good lawyers so they can wriggle and slide away from any evidence against themselves.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

Someone mentioned the other bottle of cider and the police keep giving extra bits of information out. Jo had apparently sent a text to her brothers friend inviting him around to the flat. Life in Bristol might seem ideal for the young but it can be lonely.

He did not reply to her text and the symptoms of Joes death and the similarities to the one in 74 would rule him out having been too young. Jo they say was kind hearted and she had not had a reply from her text message so she could have offered the pizza and other bottle of cider to someone else in her block of flats, if she saw someone nearby or even took it to them. The police have not said anything about the other bottle but was it found in the suspects flat or green collection. If this is the case would they not have been able to identify Jo s finger print on that bottle. Looking for the Pizza seems to be a bit of a red herring ,that could have been binned and tipped as was the case before they started searching rubbish. They probably know who it is but will they do the right thing and nail them. The suspects employ good lawyers so they can wriggle and slide away from any evidence against themselves.

Now I'm aware of her sending the text to this man - but I can't recall it being mentioned anywhere that she texted to invite him round.

I do however think this might give rise a little to specultion that Joanna was not quite as 'devoted' to Greg as parents are making out - as has been seen in various places (forums, newspapers etc).

Bearing in mind that she and Greg were to have a 'housewarming party' of some sort on the following Tuesday, she could have simply sent the guy a text inviting him to that - his name could have cropped up in conversation with someone she spoke to that Friday night in the pub, which spurred her to think, "God, wonder how he's doing, if he fancies coming to the party'.... It could of course, have been something very different to the 'devoted Joanna' we are given the picture of - however given that she and Greg had only just moved into the flat - I'm not convinced it was anything 'suspect'.

As for offering the pizza to someone else: I find that incredibly hard to accept. Sorry but I do!

On the matter of cider - far as I'm aware, it was reported that one bottle found unopened, and one found to have had some cider drunk. For all we know, both bottles could have been unopened at the point of Jo's disappearance from the flat and on returning on sunday night, he could have opened one up and poured himself a drink.

The cider bottles don't appear to be figuring highly (as far as we are aware) - so I'm guessing that their is no suspicious or unaccounted for DNA on the bottles.

[Pyramid*]

To all the 'newbies' .....

I find it amusing to see that this one thread alone has brought in quite a few new members who appear to only be interested in posting in this particular thread !

[marney]

This was reported in the media
T A source said: "Jo was at a loose end as her boyfriend was away. As she walked home she passed close to the home of someone she hadn't seen for about 18 months. He's a friend of her brother, just a casual acquaintance.

"On the spur of the moment she decided to try to text him and ask if he was around to meet for a friendly drink, but she never got a reply.

PYRAMID

I don't see anything wrong in this she was probably lonely that is why I believe it was intended for this person but given away.
Where is it reported about to bottles been accounted for

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by marney

This was reported in the media
T A source said: "Jo was at a loose end as her boyfriend was away. As she walked home she passed close to the home of someone she hadn't seen for about 18 months. He's a friend of her brother, just a casual acquaintance.

"On the spur of the moment she decided to try to text him and ask if he was around to meet for a friendly drink, but she never got a reply.

PYRAMID

I don't see anything wrong in this she was probably lonely that is why I believe it was intended for this person but given away.
Where is it reported about to bottles been accounted for

That's correct. It is reported that she sent a text, that was not replied to (the guy said he was sleeping at the time the text came in). No where as far as I'm aware (of course I could be wrong), but no where have I read that she invited him round - which is what you stated in your very first post.

As for the cider bottles:- I'd suggest you google to find out. Sorry - but I'm not trawling through almost a month's worth of media reports - it was reported as I mentioned in my post.

why would she be lonely? She'd been at work all day, spent the evening at the pub, had no reason to leave so early but she chose to do, left the pub early in the evening, and had plans for a busy weekend while Greg was away, getting the flat cleaned up, making Mince Pies, and preparing for the 'housewarming' party that they were intending having on the following Tuesday. I really don't think 'lonely' is a word that figures in the whole scenario, I really don't.