[pices]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Misogyny? That's like saying Josie was a misandrist and hates men becuase she didnt like it when Mario walked around with his balls flapping around

And he meant date as in take her out for a lunch or something like that, he didnt intend for it to have incestous connotations

Well Dave did not mind getting his own arse out on camera, nor did he mind Mario flaunting his nakedness and bollox around all the time, he was apopolexic though because Rachael1 was not wearing any panties UNDER her clothes and when Keeva got splashed with water on her shirt, something a little odd and hypocritical about that lot.
He dates his daughter just like a boyfriend would, dinner, cinema, bowling etc, hopefully without the intimacy of a boyfriend, though it does have incestuous conotations when he declares that he wants to be under the bed on her wedding night to witness the nuptuals, he is a freak.

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by Vodka Drinka

I can't believe anyone would actually like Dave as a friend? We know that Mario watched all of the live feed back after leaving the house, did he not see what he was really like? Trust me the stuff Dave said about him behind his back was far worse than what anyone else said (no names mentioned )



A great housemate who is homophobic, hates women, is sly, devious, manipulative, a conman, pretends to be disabled, stabs his friends in the back etc?

Well said

[patsylimerick]

Right, firstly, sorry for the long multi quote

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah some of that vid was funny:

"I'm a real monk all the way from the monastery... which is basically my living room"

I saw his videos but didnt really care about them, he was a good housemate, he was entertaining when he was in there and that's what I'll judge him on

Normally, I'd 100% agree with you but after the first four hl shows I thought Dave was one of the most offensive hms in the entire 10 series. I wouldn't mind so much him being a shyster if he even made sense - but he didn't. He was so incredibly incoherent and I never, ever, found him funny. Never. He tried so hard to be funny that I watched most of his footage from behind my fingers. Stomach churningly embarrassing stuff. Once I'd seen the Youtube stuff it all made sense. CH4 should be prosecuted for giving such an idiotic charlatan airtime.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

how does he hate women?

and also, he doesn't hate gay people, he said he wouldn't marry a gay couple, neither would must priests or vicars etc, that doesn't mean they hate gay people

Oh come on, Niamh, as a fellow Corkwoman I know you know that the 'I'm doing what I'm told by the Vatican' line doesn't really wash at any decent moral or ethical level. He was and is a misogynistic, homophobic, incoherent twat. The fact that most priests or vicars wouldn't marry a gay couple either doesn't exactly make them admirable, now does it? Mind you, I don't think Dave really has a moral compass. Whatever it takes to get cash in the collection plate at the end of the evening is what he'll say and do.

Originally Posted by Vodka Drinka

How would you explain the issues he had with the first Rachael then? She was obviously very pretty and the other straight men in the house all fancied her, so he decides to put her up in save and replace. She'd done nothing to him that I am aware. Other than being attractive, sexy and having a good figure that she liked to show off. Same goes for Keeva, the way he behaved when he saw her boobs in the bathroom was pathetic, has he never seen a pair of tits before?

As usual, Vodka, spot on. Precisely, exactly, right. The man who displayed astonishing single bloodymindedness in blackening the name of the girl who dared to question his frankly idiotic religious gurgitations was, weeks later, revelling in slapping fake tan on a naiive male student; beside himself with mirth as Mario swung his left testicle around the house and splitting his jawline with glee as he tried to detach sam's nipples. What an odious, thick, dangerous cretin.

[Jordan.]

I don't understand why Mario keeps getting threads made about him on here, who actually gives a **** what he does.

He made Laura look entertaining.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I don't understand why Mario keeps getting threads made about him on here, who actually gives a **** what he does.

He made Laura look entertaining.

So true ... and so funny ... the man is really just so dreadful and so revolting ... oh I just want to expunge him from my memory now ... he won't be popping up anywhere else so we can all breathe a sigh of relief ... ooofffff ... doesn't that feel good ... ? Bye!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Normally, I'd 100% agree with you but after the first four hl shows I thought Dave was one of the most offensive hms in the entire 10 series. I wouldn't mind so much him being a shyster if he even made sense - but he didn't. He was so incredibly incoherent and I never, ever, found him funny. Never. He tried so hard to be funny that I watched most of his footage from behind my fingers. Stomach churningly embarrassing stuff. Once I'd seen the Youtube stuff it all made sense. CH4 should be prosecuted for giving such an idiotic charlatan airtime.

Oh are you from Cork? I assumed Limerick from the user name!

[InOne]

Dave was a total fake lol And pretty nasty at times

[MTVN]

You lot love to get melodramatic over housemates dont you?

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You lot love to get melodramatic over housemates dont you?

Well ... the thing is that Dave is actually in a position to do a lot of harm ... and he has been given the power to affect people by his inclusion in Big Brother ... so I am not sure if 'melodramatic' is the most accurate word to be honest ... I think it is right and proper to draw attention to the situation ... and also to the fact that some of the HMs are definitely NOT supporting his chicanery while some of the others are trying to drum up even more business for him ...

Shining a spotlight on this (and noticing which way the different HMs are reacting to Dave's ludicrous but ultimately potentially VERY toxic nonsense) is interesting ... and quite necessary and even important ... but 'melodramatic' ... I wouldn't have thought that was the most suitable description of many peoples' responses to this charlatan's cynical and fraudulent manipulation ...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

Well ... the thing is that Dave is actually in a position to do a lot of harm ... and he has been given the power to affect people by his inclusion in Big Brother ... so I am not sure if 'melodramatic' is the most accurate word to be honest ... I think it is right and proper to draw attention to the situation ... and also to the fact that some of the HMs are definitely NOT supporting his chicanery while some of the others are trying to drum up even more business for him ...

Shining a spotlight on this (and noticing which way the different HMs are reacting to Dave's ludicrous but ultimately potentially VERY toxic nonsense) is interesting ... and quite necessary and even important ... but 'melodramatic' ... I wouldn't have thought that was the most suitable description of many peoples' responses to this charlatan's cynical and fraudulent manipulation ...

Yes but I do feel you are guilty of exaggerating and sensationalising the amount of harm Dave can do and how much of a bastard you all consider him to be

He not really in a position to do a lot of harm, his Church and his beliefs get zero credibility from the vast majority. But even if some people do share Dave's beliefs then so what? I dont really feel it's my place to judge people and their beliefs no matter how much I disagree. If he wants to get drunk of the "Godka" with all his mates then he has every right to do so. He's not really doing anything different to any other preacher, or most other Christians for that matter; they all believe God can heal the sick, they all seek funding and support for their Church etc.

Anyway, I have no interest in playing moral Big Brother with myself. Dave might not have been to everyone's tastes but I enjoyed watching him and thought he was a good housemate, what he does outside of the house is his business and not mine, frankly I couldnt give a damn.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes but I do feel you are guilty of exaggerating and sensationalising the amount of harm Dave can do and how much of a bastard you all consider him to be

He not really in a position to do a lot of harm, his Church and his beliefs get zero credibility from the vast majority. But even if some people do share Dave's beliefs then so what? I dont really feel it's my place to judge people and their beliefs no matter how much I disagree. If he wants to get drunk of the "Godka" with all his mates then he has every right to do so. He's not really doing anything different to any other preacher, or most other Christians for that matter; they all believe God can heal the sick, they all seek funding and support for their Church etc.

Anyway, I have no interest in playing moral Big Brother with myself. Dave might not have been to everyone's tastes but I enjoyed watching him and thought he was a good housemate, what he does outside of the house is his business and not mine, frankly I couldnt give a damn.

I wonder if you really have seen any of the videos which were up during the summer - maybe a lot of them have disappeared by now - but the one in India where he was clearly ripping off the poorest and most vulnerable ill or troubled Indians which he could lure into his (or John Crowder's) clutches was one of the most despicable and unforgivable scenes I have ever witnessed - and the one where he spoke with barely believable disrespect about some Palestinians he had encountered (in Palestine, too - not on anyone else's turf) was truly wicked and lacking in any real understanding or intelligence or (maybe most importantly of all) compassion - and could have lead to great anger and even violence (quite understandable and 'righteous' anger ...)

So no ... Dave is not a bumbling innocent and basically good guy - he is a knave and a rogue and a fool and should NEVER have been given any air time at all (and the fact that he was allowed onto our screens will probably long remain a mystery which we should all be trying to solve - but it does seem to reek of some sort of corruption not just to me, but to many other Forum Members as well - it has all been discussed in various places for some considerable time ... and rightly so ... imho ... )

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

I wonder if you really have seen any of the videos which were up during the summer - maybe a lot of them have disappeared by now - but the one in India where he was clearly ripping off the poorest and most vulnerable ill or troubled Indians which he could lure into his (or John Crowder's) clutches was one of the most despicable and unforgivable scenes I have ever witnessed - and the one where he spoke with barely believable disrespect about some Palestinians he had encountered (in Palestine, too - not on anyone else's turf) was truly wicked and lacking in any real understanding or intelligence or (maybe most importantly of all) compassion - and could have lead to great anger and even violence (quite understandable and 'righteous' anger ...)

So no ... Dave is not a bumbling innocent and basically good guy - he is a knave and a rogue and a fool and should NEVER have been given any air time at all (and the fact that he was allowed onto our screens will probably long remain a mystery which we should all be trying to solve - but it does seem to reek of some sort of corruption not just to me, but to many other Forum Members as well - it has all been discussed in various places for some considerable time ... and rightly so ... imho ... )

Never said he was a "bumbling innocent" or "basically a good guy" though did I?

Yes, I saw the video in India, and it doesnt change my stance at all. He was claiming he could dure through God, he's not the first to say God can heal people now is he? And no, I didnt see the other one but I dont much care for it.

But anyway, you've missed my point; I couldnt give a damn what he gets up to outside of the house. I will judge him based on how far he has entertained me in the weeks that he was in the house, not on a couple of youtube videos. There is no corruption here, there's no conspiracy. Dave was a wacky guy, one people might consider a "freak" as one member has said, well that's what BB is now, it's basically a freak show, that's why he was chosen. In the summer everyone was saying the papers had been silenced and then it turned out the NOTW had carried an article about Dave in India which left all the conspiracy theorists there looking a bit stupid.

Big Brother is simple and light-hearted entertainment, I am not going to tirelessly assess the morality of each contestant or what they do outside of the house; it's irrelevant, they can do as they please for all I care.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes but I do feel you are guilty of exaggerating and sensationalising the amount of harm Dave can do and how much of a bastard you all consider him to be

He not really in a position to do a lot of harm, his Church and his beliefs get zero credibility from the vast majority. But even if some people do share Dave's beliefs then so what? I dont really feel it's my place to judge people and their beliefs no matter how much I disagree. If he wants to get drunk of the "Godka" with all his mates then he has every right to do so. He's not really doing anything different to any other preacher, or most other Christians for that matter; they all believe God can heal the sick, they all seek funding and support for their Church etc.

Anyway, I have no interest in playing moral Big Brother with myself. Dave might not have been to everyone's tastes but I enjoyed watching him and thought he was a good housemate, what he does outside of the house is his business and not mine, frankly I couldnt give a damn.

You have clearly not seen what he has been getting up to in foreign countries with very simple and disadvantaged people ... there is no forgiving it ... have another look (if they are still there that is ... as I said I do not know if they are ... they sickened me and I have not wanted to see them a second time so simply do not know)

No judging of others ... so all behaviour however cruel or harmful or immoral or vicious (in the literal sense of that word) is acceptable and should be condoned and not criticised or curtailed ... would that include rape? Torture? Murder? You clearly would include theft - and theft from the very poorest at that - as acceptable and not worry about it as long as it seemed amusing to the outside world (all part of being a 'good housemate') ... I have to differ with you on this ... and differ very strongly ... some things ARE wrong and they must be exposed and condemned (and if at all possible stopped from recurring) - most especially if a former HM is using his following from the house and some other former HMs to help him with criminal activities

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

I don't understand why Mario keeps getting threads made about him on here, who actually gives a **** what he does.

He made Laura look entertaining.

I don't even think about Mario in relation to interesting BB housemates. I consider him a non-entity BB housemate for the most part and even after BB. That is why I rarely mention him in posts on this forum in particular, unless replying to a specific post mentioning him. I just don't think he is much worthy of wasting typing fingers on anymore. And I know I have made this post about him, but it's literally just a one off Because, as I said earlier in this post, I have done and probably will only mention him in reply to other posts that mention him if I feel the need be.

[Vodka Drinka]

Do you remember when Dave said he wanted to use the winnings(had he won obviously) to open an orphanage in India? I actually laughed out loud when he said that, what a load of utter bollocks!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Ultra Violet

You have clearly not seen what he has been getting up to in foreign countries with very simple and disadvantaged people ... there is no forgiving it ... have another look (if they are still there that is ... as I said I do not know if they are ... they sickened me and I have not wanted to see them a second time so simply do not know)

No judging of others ... so all behaviour however cruel or harmful or immoral or vicious (in the literal sense of that word) is acceptable and should be condoned and not criticised or curtailed ... would that include rape? Torture? Murder? You clearly would include theft - and theft from the very poorest at that - as acceptable and not worry about it as long as it seemed amusing to the outside world (all part of being a 'good housemate') ... I have to differ with you on this ... and differ very strongly ... some things ARE wrong and they must be exposed and condemned (and if at all possible stopped from recurring) - most especially if a former HM is using his following from the house and some other former HMs to help him with criminal activities

Yes I have already said, I have seen the videos. As far as I can recall the one in India just showed him supposedly healing some Indians of diseases. As I've said he's not the first to claim that God can heal the sick. What is the theft you speak of?

I'm a relativist for the most part, I dont really believe there are absolute and universal morals, it is relative to the people who hold them. The purpose of Dave being on the show was to entertain, in my view he did that, what he gets up to out of the house is not my business and as I said I'm not going to play moral Big Brother with myself. Dave gets no credibility from the wider public, the vast majority just think his views are ridiculous, but if some think they are getting drunk "on the glory" then that's up to them, it's not up to me to tell them. Don't compare this to murder because it isn't, Dave is not doing anything illegal and unless you can prove that he is then I stand by what I said.

[honeydew]

If Mario gets drunk, he will proberly go stripping on the glory,


watch out..



what a horrible sight that will be..::

[Malza]

Glad to hear that Mario won't go to the charlatans "drunk on the Lord" happening!

He tweeted a sec. ago:

Hey guys just to let you know so there is no confusion, I wont be appearing at Gloryfest this weekend.

[Ultra Violet]

[/CENTER]

Originally Posted by Malza

Glad to hear that Mario won't go to the charlatans "drunk on the Lord" happening!

He tweeted a sec. ago:

Well ... that is a blessed relief ...

[patsylimerick]

Niamh, no, Rebel born and bred. Limerick just has a special place in my heart
MTVN, OK he's not breaking any laws that we're aware of but he parades down high streets in a monk's garb and in a wheelchair seeking donations. If he got any money from an eldelry relative of mine I wouldn't be checking the local constabulary's book of offences - would you? He's a shyster. As regards how entertaining he was in the house - really? Repeating inanities and lying down pretending to be 'drunk' and misquoting the bible? Seriously? That's entertaining? I can't, genuinely, remember him being funny once. I can remember him pinching, nipple-tweaking and arse-slapping all of the younger men in the house and turning purple with indignation when Caoimhe's shirt got wet. I remember him giving out about his friends not being on his from home video, until Steve's was played and Steve cried when he saw the message from his kids. All of a sudden Dave's upset because his kids weren't in the message. I remember him lying on the grass looking up his wife's skirt........ I could go on but I'm feeling slightly queasy............

[James]

From what I have read his church appears to be your average evangelist church. Nothing much to worry about. Anyone that goes can make up their own minds.

I don't think we should be calling anyone a con-man when there isn't real evidence for it.

[Ultra Violet]

Originally Posted by James

From what I have read his church appears to be your average evangelist church. Nothing much to worry about. Anyone that goes can make up their own minds.

I don't think we should be calling anyone a con-man when there 'isn't real evidence for it.'

Oh James ... James ... you just haven't been seeing or reading the stuff that is out there to be seen and read have you?

Why do you think so many John James fans are shaking their heads in despair and puzzlement and disappointment

All for 'nothing much to worry about' ... ?

Surely you can't honestly believe that there isn't real evidence for it?

You must be brighter than you are giving yourself credit for in our eyes ...

Mustn't you ... ? Surely you must ... ?

[patsylimerick]

Originally Posted by James

From what I have read his church appears to be your average evangelist church. Nothing much to worry about. Anyone that goes can make up their own minds.

I don't think we should be calling anyone a con-man when there isn't real evidence for it.

Oh dear. He has confirmed that he dressed as a monk and pretended to need to use a wheelchair and rolled up and down a High Street looking for money. He then laughed about what he'd done and advised others on how to buy wheelchairs on e-Bay. How, by any standard of logic, can that make your last sentence legitimate?

[Truth Teller]

Originally Posted by InOne

Dave was a total fake lol And pretty nasty at times

Nice and succint

[James]

Originally Posted by patsylimerick

Oh dear. He has confirmed that he dressed as a monk and pretended to need to use a wheelchair and rolled up and down a High Street looking for money. He then laughed about what he'd done and advised others on how to buy wheelchairs on e-Bay. How, by any standard of logic, can that make your last sentence legitimate?

Well, from what I watched he wasn't asking people for money in that.