[Angus]

Ruby Thomas, the public school girl who stamped a gay civil servant to death because she saw him holding hands with another man, will be out of prison in just two and a half years. Despite getting a 7 year sentence, the time she has spent in custody will be taken into account and she will be out in two and half years. She had boasted about the attack on facebook the day after the murder, and didn't think to show any remorse or apologise to the family until the actual court case, when she tried to pass them a letter which they refused to read. Seems the moronic judges are taken in by these empty gestures of "remorse" - she sure didn't show one iota of it till her neck was on the line.

It seems you can literally get away with murder in this country. What a laughable sentence.

[joeysteele]

Angus58,its disgraceful, it would appear crimes of taking money can get longer sentences than taking a life,in this case meaninglessly too.

I feel all crimes of violence need much stronger penalties and also less time taken off for good behaviour etc too.Especially if the crimes were done be being unprovoked too.

I ahd hopes this govt would be stronger on violent crimes especially that resulted in loss of life,however it seems a long way off still, at the present anyway.

[MTVN]

So it's not two and a half years is it; it's a seven year sentance. There was also two others involved in the attack and it was not actually her kicks who killed him. Do try to not be so misleading please.

[InOne]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...2-5-years.html

This is what I found when I googled. She looks a skinny little thing

[Patrick]

I bet you if I killed someone I'd get life or like 30 years, that's how my life works.
Slags like her get away with everything.

But yeah seriously, you're right you can literally get away with murder here now it's rather ridiculous.
The laughable thing is, you would probably in some cases get more than 2 years for not paying a TV License or Assaulting [as in push] a bloody Police Man!

[Patrick]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So it's not two and a half years is it; it's a seven year sentance. There was also two others involved in the attack and it was not actually her kicks who killed him. Do try to not be so misleading please.

Oh so 7 Years is enough for stamping a man to death in a homophobic attack and then boasting about it on Facebook?

Okay then...

[Pyramid*]

Another example of our wonderful 'justice' system, another example of spoilt and priviledged children being pandered to and thinking they can do what they hell they like to another human being.

There is something mentally wrong with people like this. Seriously deranged human beings.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Patrick

Oh so 7 Years is enough for stamping a man to death in a homophobic attack and then boasting about it on Facebook?

Okay then...

Angus58 barely mentioned any of the details of the case though. She didnt kill him, her friend did when he shoved the guy to the ground fracturing his skull.

This from BBC News: "Thomas screamed "******s" at Mr Baynham and his friend Philip Brown, the court heard.

When Mr Baynham confronted her, there was a scuffle during which she hit him with her handbag and he grabbed it.

Alexander, a student from Thornton Heath, south-east London, then ran up and knocked him to the ground, causing a severe brain injury as his head struck the pavement."

After that she started kicking him but that wasnt what killed him, and the Mail are just sensationalising the case by going on about him being "stamped to death" when he wasnt.

Dont get me wrong, it was a terrible crime and she deserves to be punished for it, but for the OP to say they only got a 2 and a half year sentance, and to completely ignore the fact that there were 2 others involved in the attack & that the girls kicks didnt kill him is just being misleading.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So it's not two and a half years is it; it's a seven year sentance. There was also two others involved in the attack and it was not actually her kicks who killed him. Do try to not be so misleading please.

Despite getting a 7 year sentence, the time she has spent in custody will be taken into account and she will be out in two and half years. Did you miss this from my original post? Effectively she will be serving just two and a half years for a homophobic murder. Even if she served the full 7 years,it is a laughably inappropriate and inadequate sentence for what she and the other thugs did to this man. As for your last sentence, who the hell made you the forum monitor? I'll post however I please, so go patronise someone who gives a ***** about your moronic opinions.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Dont get me wrong, it was a terrible crime and she deserves to be punished for it, but for the OP to say they only got a 2 and a half year sentance, and to completely ignore the fact that there were 2 others involved in the attack & that the girls kicks didnt kill him is just being misleading.

In fairness to Angus58 thought MTVN - the girl had been in custody for some time: thus at the point of her being sentenced, time in custody has been taken into consideration and at the point of her being sentenced: she will only do 2.5 years.

From the DM.

But given the time she has spent in custody awaiting trial, she will be released in less than three.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

In fairness to Angus58 thought MTVN - the girl had been in custody for some time: thus at the point of her being sentenced, time in custody has been taken into consideration and at the point of her being sentenced: she will only do 2.5 years.

From the DM.

To me though, the thread title seemed to imply she'd only been sentenced for 2 and a half years. And as far as I'm aware this is not exactly anything new, doesnt the time spent in custody normally get taken off the prison sentence?

[_Seth]

Even 7 years wouldn't be enough! There are so many reasons why it should be a good 30.



I'm disgusted that this happened in Britain, and even more-so that the court are doing next to ****all about it.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

To me though, the thread title seemed to imply she'd only been sentenced for 2 and a half years. And as far as I'm aware this is not exactly anything new, doesnt the time spent in custody normally get taken off the prison sentence?

Yes, but I think that's where the 'confusion' lies. The sentence may have been 7 years - but she'll likely be out in less than 3.

Still not enough in my view - seven years (taking into account time spent in custody).

Shame their victim hasn't had the joy of such a second chance of freedom and enjoying the life that this scum bag and her friends thought it amusing to take from them.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Angus58 barely mentioned any of the details of the case though. She didnt kill him, her friend did when he shoved the guy to the ground fracturing his skull.

This from BBC News: "Thomas screamed "******s" at Mr Baynham and his friend Philip Brown, the court heard.

When Mr Baynham confronted her, there was a scuffle during which she hit him with her handbag and he grabbed it.

Alexander, a student from Thornton Heath, south-east London, then ran up and knocked him to the ground, causing a severe brain injury as his head struck the pavement."

After that she started kicking him but that wasnt what killed him, and the Mail are just sensationalising the case by going on about him being "stamped to death" when he wasnt.

Dont get me wrong, it was a terrible crime and she deserves to be punished for it, but for the OP to say they only got a 2 and a half year sentance, and to completely ignore the fact that there were 2 others involved in the attack & that the girls kicks didnt kill him is just being misleading.

She kicked a helpless man repetadley whilst he lay there dying.

Much better.

[Beastie]

I am disgusted in the 2 and a half year lenient sentence as well.

Her and the other 2 people involved should have got much harsher sentences. At least 30 years.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

If i saw that little skank i would actually kcik her to the ground i dont give a **** if shes a girl.

[ILoveTRW]

Shes too hot for prison

[Beastie]

Originally Posted by ILoveTRW

Shes too hot for prison

She looks dog rough without makeup.

[_Seth]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

If i saw that little skank i would actually kcik her to the ground i dont give a **** if shes a girl.

No-one should ever reframe from hurting someone because of their gender. Girls want equal rights, so if they're gonna push men so far that we're gonna wanna hit them, so be it. But that's a different subject. Good to see you back here, btw.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Originally Posted by Phlip

No-one should ever reframe from hurting someone because of their gender. Girls want equal rights, so if they're gonna push men so far that we're gonna wanna hit them, so be it. But that's a different subject. Good to see you back here, btw.

Well put. lol

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She kicked a helpless man repetadley whilst he lay there dying.

Much better.

Or if that bitter truth is too hard for some to swallow: she witnessed a man being kicked and jumped on, to the point that the injuries killed him and she felt it was worthy of boasting about after the event.

One sick bitch, along with her equally sick thug friends.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by daniel-lewis-1985

She kicked a helpless man repetadley whilst he lay there dying.

Much better.

I'm not saying that but I was just pointing out that there were others involved (something the OP didnt mention) and it wasnt her kicking him that killed him (something else the OP didnt mention). I also dont think it so black and white that you should just slap a life sentence on anyone who takes part in a killing; there's a reason that the law makes a distinction between murder and manslaughter

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Or if that bitter truth is too hard for some to swallow: she witnessed a man being kicked and jumped on, to the point that the injuries killed him and she felt it was worthy of boasting about after the event.

One sick bitch, along with her equally sick thug friends.

Here's the Facebook conversations of the killers; http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n...e_on_Facebook/

Extremely callous? yes. But boasting? I dont think thats an appropiate term

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm not saying that but I was just pointing out that there were others involved (something the OP didnt mention) and it wasnt her kicking him that killed him (something else the OP didnt mention). I also dont think it so black and white that you should just slap a life sentence on anyone who takes part in a killing; there's a reason that the law makes a distinction between murder and manslaughter



Here's the Facebook conversations of the killers; http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/n...e_on_Facebook/

Extremely callous? yes. But boasting? I dont think thats an appropiate term

I'd say the way the FB conversation was going, they were pretty much amused about it all - as though they seemed quite pleased with themselves in their involvement and memory recall of the incident. If you don't, that's of course your opinion and I completely respect that.

Mine is that it certainly comes across as boasting in their own sick and warped way - I can understand why you don't think it's boasting - but I do see it as that.

[Angus]

Predictably, the usual suspects are always there ready to defend the indefensible and sod the victims and their families. Dangerously, they actually believe in the codswallop they come out with it, that all human beings are fundamentally redeemable when history has shown us that this is patently not true. How exactly does one redeem oneself having deprived another human being of their life? That human being's one and only life has been taken, left unfulfilled and unlived, and their loved ones are left with a lifetime of sorrow and pain.

There are some crimes IMO that are beyond redemption and beyond forgiveness and I don't give a flying ***** for the apologists and their liberal, so called "civilised" opinions which sadly have led to a society where justice has been turned on its head so that the rights and wellbeing of the perpetrators of crime have been set above those of their victims.

Every evil act is explained away and excuses made for the most abhorrent and vile behaviours - no wonder no-one is made to take responsibility for their actions any more when it can always be blamed on someone or something else. I wonder how liberal and forgiving any one of you would be if your dearest loved one had been randomly and brutally murdered like this poor man.