[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by lostalex

How convenient. Then why was he given access to the internet to begin with? So are you saying his parents should be punished instead of him? SOmeone must be responsible for this crime. So who is it.

Arn't all criminals mentally ill? Any murder must certainly be mentally ill by definition. Cause killing someone is crazy.

Mental illness does not justify crime.

If he cannot control himself, then that's MORE reason to put him behind bars!

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read

orly? well please explain to me how killing someone is sane in any way.

Enlighten me. plz.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

orly? well please explain to me how killing someone is sane in any way.

Enlighten me. plz.

Speaking about enlightenment, what crime did McKinnon commit?

It has even been admitted by US officials that he accessed the various sites through open access, not through backdoors etc. He followed links and managed to find ways into restricted access areas. He did not force or hack passwords etc.

Oh and he left silly and anti american messages.

Apparently he caused "great" damage, which US authorities are unable or unwilling to define.

What did he actually do. Upset someone? Damaged someones national pride? Is that really a crime?

As for killing being sane, to someone with no respect for life, killing could be an easy option to a problem, it doesnt mean the person is mentally ill.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Speaking about enlightenment, what crime did McKinnon commit?

It has even been admitted by US officials that he accessed the various sites through open access, not through backdoors etc. He followed links and managed to find ways into restricted access areas. He did not force or hack passwords etc.

Oh and he left silly and anti american messages.

Apparently he caused "great" damage, which US authorities are unable or unwilling to define.

What did he actually do. Upset someone? Damaged someones national pride? Is that really a crime?

As for killing being sane, to someone with no respect for life, killing could be an easy option to a problem, it doesnt mean the person is mentally ill.

So i guess you'd have no problem with me poking around yur computer, leaving "silly anti-shasown messeges" on yur computer. you'd be completely fine with that would you?

I'm sure you wouldn't feel violated in any way.

Well if that's how you fell, i can only say, you and i are very different, cause i'd be incredibly upset and disturbed if someone did that to my computer.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

So i guess you'd have no problem with me poking around yur computer, leaving "silly anti-shasown messeges" on yur computer. you'd be completely fine with that would you?

I'm sure you wouldn't feel violated in any way.

Difference is I have firewalls and passwords and make full use of them. Your lot didnt.

If you could get in and leave any sort of message I would applaud you. Then look for a better security system.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Difference is I have firewalls and passwords and make full use of them.

If you could get in and leave any sort of message I would applaud you.

i wouldn't want to, because i think it would be a violation.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i wouldn't want to, because i think it would be a violation.

You still dont get it do you?

He accessed open access sites and then followed various links to areas that should have been password and firewall protected. They werent.


Its a bit like someone going into a museum and wandering round. then finding themselves in the storage area out the back because there wasnt signs or barriers to stop them walking the way they did.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by lostalex

orly? well please explain to me how killing someone is sane in any way.

Enlighten me. plz.

So all soldiers who have killed are mentally ill?

The act of killing is not "insane" and does not automatically make the perpretrator mentally ill in any kind of way

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So all soldiers who have killed are mentally ill?

The act of killing is not "insane" and does not automatically make the perpretrator mentally ill in any kind of way

we are talking about crime, not war. There is a big difference.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by lostalex

we are talking about crime, not war. There is a big difference.

Well you said "killing someone is crazy". Whether or not a killing is officially considered legal by the government that doesnt change the fact it's a killing. So now it is only those who's killing is illegal that must be mentally ill?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well you said "killing someone is crazy". Whether or not a killing is officially considered legal by the government that doesnt change the fact it's a killing. So now it is only those who's killing is illegal that must be mentally ill?

sorry, let me clarify. MURDER. is what i meant, obviously.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

we are talking about crime, not war. There is a big difference.

I think if you dig into that one a little bit you will find a lot of killings by members of armed forces from one country or another have been committed before a declaration of war or after a cessation of hostilities and in a lot of recent conflicts without a declaration of war at all.