[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

ummm, he's admitted to hacking into the Pentagon. You don't need hearsay when the guy has ADMITTED his crime. He's claiming to be mentally retarded now though. *rolls eyes*

He also has a history of mental illness. He, his family and several renowned experts in the field also say he suffers from Aspergers. Incidentally thats only described by know nothings as being mentally retarded.

Go find what Joseph Richard Gutheinz, says about his case.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

He also has a history of mental illness. He, his family and several renowned experts in the field also say he suffers from Aspergers.

Go find what Joseph Richard Gutheinz, says about his case.

How convenient. Then why was he given access to the internet to begin with? So are you saying his parents should be punished instead of him? SOmeone must be responsible for this crime. So who is it.

Arn't all criminals mentally ill? Any murder must certainly be mentally ill by definition. Cause killing someone is crazy.

Mental illness does not justify crime.

If he cannot control himself, then that's MORE reason to put him behind bars!

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

How convenient. Then why was he given access to the internet to begin with? So are you saying his parents should be punished instead of him? SOmeone must be responsible for this crime. So who is it.!

I could ask why your parents let you have access to the net.

Maybe the tards in charge of electronic security of the various sites he hacked. Yeah his parents should bear some responsibility and they do.

Originally Posted by lostalex

Arn't all criminals mentally ill? Any murder must certainly be mentally ill by definition. Cause killing someone is crazy.

Mental illness does not justify crime.

If he cannot control himself, then that's MORE reason to put him behind bars!

No, while it may be true that some criminals are mentally ill, thats not all criminals.

Some murderers are mentally ill a lot are not.

Some people havent been taught the difference between right and wrong, some dont value another persons life.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

How convenient. Then why was he given access to the internet to begin with? So are you saying his parents should be punished instead of him? SOmeone must be responsible for this crime. So who is it.

Arn't all criminals mentally ill? Any murder must certainly be mentally ill by definition. Cause killing someone is crazy.

Mental illness does not justify crime.

If he cannot control himself, then that's MORE reason to put him behind bars!

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read

orly? well please explain to me how killing someone is sane in any way.

Enlighten me. plz.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

orly? well please explain to me how killing someone is sane in any way.

Enlighten me. plz.

Speaking about enlightenment, what crime did McKinnon commit?

It has even been admitted by US officials that he accessed the various sites through open access, not through backdoors etc. He followed links and managed to find ways into restricted access areas. He did not force or hack passwords etc.

Oh and he left silly and anti american messages.

Apparently he caused "great" damage, which US authorities are unable or unwilling to define.

What did he actually do. Upset someone? Damaged someones national pride? Is that really a crime?

As for killing being sane, to someone with no respect for life, killing could be an easy option to a problem, it doesnt mean the person is mentally ill.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Speaking about enlightenment, what crime did McKinnon commit?

It has even been admitted by US officials that he accessed the various sites through open access, not through backdoors etc. He followed links and managed to find ways into restricted access areas. He did not force or hack passwords etc.

Oh and he left silly and anti american messages.

Apparently he caused "great" damage, which US authorities are unable or unwilling to define.

What did he actually do. Upset someone? Damaged someones national pride? Is that really a crime?

As for killing being sane, to someone with no respect for life, killing could be an easy option to a problem, it doesnt mean the person is mentally ill.

So i guess you'd have no problem with me poking around yur computer, leaving "silly anti-shasown messeges" on yur computer. you'd be completely fine with that would you?

I'm sure you wouldn't feel violated in any way.

Well if that's how you fell, i can only say, you and i are very different, cause i'd be incredibly upset and disturbed if someone did that to my computer.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

So i guess you'd have no problem with me poking around yur computer, leaving "silly anti-shasown messeges" on yur computer. you'd be completely fine with that would you?

I'm sure you wouldn't feel violated in any way.

Difference is I have firewalls and passwords and make full use of them. Your lot didnt.

If you could get in and leave any sort of message I would applaud you. Then look for a better security system.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

orly? well please explain to me how killing someone is sane in any way.

Enlighten me. plz.

So all soldiers who have killed are mentally ill?

The act of killing is not "insane" and does not automatically make the perpretrator mentally ill in any kind of way

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Difference is I have firewalls and passwords and make full use of them.

If you could get in and leave any sort of message I would applaud you.

i wouldn't want to, because i think it would be a violation.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

So all soldiers who have killed are mentally ill?

The act of killing is not "insane" and does not automatically make the perpretrator mentally ill in any kind of way

we are talking about crime, not war. There is a big difference.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i wouldn't want to, because i think it would be a violation.

You still dont get it do you?

He accessed open access sites and then followed various links to areas that should have been password and firewall protected. They werent.


Its a bit like someone going into a museum and wandering round. then finding themselves in the storage area out the back because there wasnt signs or barriers to stop them walking the way they did.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

we are talking about crime, not war. There is a big difference.

Well you said "killing someone is crazy". Whether or not a killing is officially considered legal by the government that doesnt change the fact it's a killing. So now it is only those who's killing is illegal that must be mentally ill?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

we are talking about crime, not war. There is a big difference.

I think if you dig into that one a little bit you will find a lot of killings by members of armed forces from one country or another have been committed before a declaration of war or after a cessation of hostilities and in a lot of recent conflicts without a declaration of war at all.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Shasown

You still dont get it do you?

He accessed open access sites and then followed various links to areas that should have been password and firewall protected. They werent.


Its a bit like someone going into a museum and wandering round. then finding themselves in the storage area out the back because there wasnt signs or barriers to stop them walking the way they did.

again, yu mentioned being naive?? are you honestly telling me that he didn't know he was entering systems that he didn't belong in?? Yur telling me that it never crossed his mind that entering NASA or the Pentagon was illegal?

Gimme a break.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well you said "killing someone is crazy". Whether or not a killing is officially considered legal by the government that doesnt change the fact it's a killing. So now it is only those who's killing is illegal that must be mentally ill?

sorry, let me clarify. MURDER. is what i meant, obviously.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by lostalex

again, yu mentioned being naive?? are you honestly telling me that he didn't know he was entering systems that he didn't belong in?? Yur telling me that it never crossed his mind that entering NASA or the Pentagon was illegal?

Gimme a break.

Its not illegal to access the US Department of Defense Website, nor is it illegal to access the NASA, in fact its encouraged.

http://www.defense.gov/
http://www.nasa.gov/

Its the areas he ended up in, they didnt like, then again if they didnt want people in there, they should have had it firewalled, password protected etc.

They have now so maybe they should in fact be thanking him, after all he did leave messages saying the security was pants. He even explained how he got where he did so as to help them secure the information he could have accessed.

[Zippy]

Lol. what's this topic about again?

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Lol. what's this topic about again?

Ummm cant remember now.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You think there's something wrong with defending your own country? Then remind me again why yu were in both iraq and afghanistan?

Because the corrupt, immoral, evil warmonger Tony Blair lied to the government, lied to the public and ultimately lied to himself in his pursuit of his journey up Bush's arse. He has yet to be brought to justice for his war crimes and meanwhile the British people have shot up the terrorist hit list to No. 2 behind the Americans.

The majority of British people do NOT support UK presence in Iraq or Afghanistan and never will; we have no wish to be America's lapdog, so don't judge us all by the actions of a maverick like Blair who had no business sending our young men to lose their lives in a fight that America picked.

We have no "special relationship" with America and never have had, so let's drop that pretence once and for all. The role of Bully's Sidekick is not what the majority of British people want, believe me. America is big enough and ugly enough to fight its own battles without our help.

[Grimnir]

Bush and Blair did not decide to go to war. They are just puppets and they were chosen because it is easy to pull their strings.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Grimnir

Bush and Blair did not decide to go to war. They are just puppets and they were chosen because it is easy to pull their strings.

That's just semantics - no individual has the power to decide to go to war. Bush was an ill-educated figurehead, elected to power, as most American presidents seem to be, by virtue of how much money, power and influence they have behind them. America, as a nation, declared war.

Blair, on the other, hand - as an individual - took it upon himself to decide the fate of our nation by pledging Britain's support of America, based on his dissemination of deliberate and pernicious deceptions and lies. He is therefore a war criminal and should face the full penalty of our Law which, at the very least, should consist of a lengthy term in prison.