[letmein]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

While his views are sick as ****, I cant see why he should be sacked for them :/

I didnt realise you could be sacked just for having an opinion now

Of course you can, and they have every right to do so.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by happyland

And that justifies insuting two Jewish women how?

They weren't Jewish.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by letmein

They weren't Jewish.

Ok.. he thought they were Jewish. Does that make it better somehow?

[Zippy]

well he was obviously drunk for a start. Should we all be judged in our drunken state...

plus if he wants to love Hitler then let him ******ing love Hitler. His mistake was getting drunk and announcing it to the world. And getting sneakily filmed doing so.

I certainly don't love Hitler but he is a fascinating character for sure. And like every other human, far more complex than the simplistic hate labels bestowed on him.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

well he was obviously drunk for a start. Should we all be judged in our drunken state...

plus if he wants to love Hitler then let him ******ing love Hitler. His mistake was getting drunk and announcing it to the world. And getting sneakily filmed doing so.

I certainly don't love Hitler but he is a fascinating character for sure. And like every other human, far more complex than the simplistic hate labels bestowed on him.

We've all been drunk and said things we've regretted or been slightly embarrassed about, but have you actually read what he said to those women?? That **** isn't drunken banter or a slight slip of the tongue; it's pure, venomous anti-semitism in it's worst form!

I agree most people are fascinated/horrified by Hitler and his Nazi regime, but to condone his treatment of jews just isn't acceptable!

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by happyland

We've all been drunk and said things we've regretted or been slightly embarrassed about, but have you actually read what he said to those women?? That **** isn't drunken banter or a slight slip of the tongue; it's pure, venomous anti-semitism in it's worst form!

I agree most people are fascinated/horrified by Hitler and his Nazi regime, but to condone his treatment of jews just isn't acceptable!

well Im sure most famous people hold some view or other that we would find shocking or distasteful. The key is to just keep your gob shut about it. This is where the alcohol plays a part.

and some of the great artists and talents in history were not pleasant people. Some were even well known paedos. But it doesn't stop them being revered or their work being celebrated. His talent is clothes designing and Im not sure his views on jews or Hitler should see that talent tossed to the kerb. It's irrelevent to what he does. Unless he starts incorporating swatsikas into his designs.

and there's no escaping from the fact that people who live in a free country should have free speech. Otherwise it ceases to be a free country. He wasn't inciting hatred just having a drunken rant in an intimate setting that was just between a few people to hear. The fact that it was secretly filmed and now broadcast is not his responsibility. In fact the ones putting the video out there are more guilty of inciting hate because they are the ones spreading his personal views to the masses and giving it greater gravitas.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

well Im sure most famous people hold some view or other that we would find shocking or distasteful. The key is to just keep your gob shut about it. This is where the alcohol plays a part.

and some of the great artists and talents in history were not pleasant people. Some were even well known paedos. But it doesn't stop them being revered or their work being celebrated. His talent is clothes designing and Im not sure his views on jews or Hitler should see that talent tossed to the kerb. It's irrelevent to what he does. Unless he starts incorporating swatsikas into his designs.

and there's no escaping from the fact that people who live in a free country should have free speech. Otherwise it ceases to be a free country. He wasn't inciting hatred just having a drunken rant in an intimate setting that was just between a few people to hear. The fact that it was secretly filmed and now broadcast is not his responsibility. In fact the ones putting the video out there are more guilty of inciting hate because they are the ones spreading his personal views to the masses and giving it greater gravitas.

Most famous people have views we would find shocking? What makes you think that?

And yes, I'm all for free speech and I do agree that political correctness had gone too far but are you really saying that somebody, anybody in fact should get away with saying what he did?

6 million Jews were murdered because of that little depraved Nazi.. 6 million!

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by happyland

Most famous people have views we would find shocking? What makes you think that?

And yes, I'm all for free speech and I do agree that political correctness had gone too far but are you really saying that somebody, anybody in fact should get away with saying what he did?

6 million Jews were murdered because of that little depraved Nazi.. 6 million!

well he hasn't given his full detailed opinion about Hitler so lets not pretend we know it all based on a drunken rant clip. I doubt he really thinks Hitler is a great guy for ordering mass murders. When drunk you express things in a clumsy often incoherent manner. He basically needs to explain is views in full. And sober.

the point I made was that he said it in a private conversation. Not broadcast to the masses. You think we should all be prosecuted for shocking views we express in private? Or maybe only if we get secretly filmed and its then broadcast on youtube? Or maybe only if we are famous? See, this is where free speech comes into it.

his views belong to him and he's entitled to them. Yes, he now looks an ass(thanks to video). But let the punishment fit the crime and don't sacrifice a great talent.

[joeysteele]

I think drunk or sober,we should still be held responsible for what we do and say,too many times in law,we get more lenient sentencing and judging becasue the person was intoxicated and supposedly didn't know what they were doing or saying.
Those thoughts are still in their minds though.

There are some subjects that require, especially even more so from professional people in the public eye or not, the fullest sensitivity and avoidance even to bring up on any occassion, Hitler is one of them,the suffering he caused to the World is something to be etched firmly in the annals of history,his further evil acts of mass murder should never be forgotten and any 'greatness' Hitler may have ever had was well and truly destroyed by himself and the atrocious crimes he carried out against other people, on the grounds of race, disability, religion or sexuality too.
This man even drunk clearly has some regard for this madman who got power but while he may be entitled to have his admiration for Hitler he should have kept that firmly to himself and not help bring back the devastating facts that many still have to live with in their lives because of Hitler,by even saying such a thing as he was a man to be loved in any context.

Maybe even some posters on here could have lost a grandparent because of Hitlers craziness,certainly to the wider World many people still bare painful scars and trauma of those times. He should have been sacked,he way overstepped a line of not only right but also decency.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes
but still drunk nasty and recorded

Yep, it's pathetic how many people are dismissing the severity of what he did because he was "drunk". If you can't handle your drink without becoming violent and/or abusive, then perhaps you shouldn't drink. Actions carried out by drunks have the same consequences to their victims as those carried out by sober people, so it can never be an excuse for antisocial behaviour of any kind.

[arista]

Originally Posted by angus58

Yep, it's pathetic how many people are dismissing the severity of what he did because he was "drunk". If you can't handle your drink without becoming violent and/or abusive, then perhaps you shouldn't drink. Actions carried out by drunks have the same consequences to their victims as those carried out by sober people, so it can never be an excuse for antisocial behaviour of any kind.

Yes
He burnt himself out there
and can now Fade Away



Life In The City.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

well he hasn't given his full detailed opinion about Hitler so lets not pretend we know it all based on a drunken rant clip. I doubt he really thinks Hitler is a great guy for ordering mass murders. When drunk you express things in a clumsy often incoherent manner. He basically needs to explain is views in full. And sober.

the point I made was that he said it in a private conversation. Not broadcast to the masses. You think we should all be prosecuted for shocking views we express in private? Or maybe only if we get secretly filmed and its then broadcast on youtube? Or maybe only if we are famous? See, this is where free speech comes into it.

his views belong to him and he's entitled to them. Yes, he now looks an ass(thanks to video). But let the punishment fit the crime and don't sacrifice a great talent.

It does, imo, He is entitled to his opinion but his opinion has consequences. His opinion could potentially ruin his employers business for a start unless he got rid of him. I know If I owned that business I wouldn't risk it for John Gallianos freedom of speech. and secondly, his employer is a Jew, If I owned a business and somebody made a comment like that about such a huge tragic period for my people I'd fire him in a heart beat, that's his freedom as the Boss

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It does, imo, He is entitled to his opinion but his opinion has consequences. His opinion could potentially ruin his employers business for a start unless he got rid of him. I know If I owned that business I wouldn't risk it for John Gallianos freedom of speech. and secondly, his employer is a Jew, If I owned a business and somebody made a comment like that about such a huge tragic period for my people I'd fire him in a heart beat, that's his freedom as the Boss

I agree, he has a right to an opinion but his boss also has a right to fire him if that opinion has a negative impact on his business.

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It does, imo, He is entitled to his opinion but his opinion has consequences.

yes but it was just a private drunken ramble when all is said and done. Since when do people take a drunk even seriously? Those women were even laughing which is what most people do when some drunk chats crap at them.

Its the fact that it was secretly filmed that has made it more powerful than it actually was. Otherwise it would have just been a private incident that a few people knew about.

I can understand him being sacked now the video is out there for all to see. Thats business and damage limitation. But his actual crime IMO doesn't deserve further prosecution. His global humiliation and job loss is more than enough for what was actually just a private drunken ramble that didnt seem to even offend the recipients judging by their laughter.

[arista]

"yes but it was just a private drunken ramble when all is said and done."

That was recorded and went Worldwide.
And Hitler is the Jew Killer.

The Owner of his Company is a Jew


Do some Maths

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by arista

That was recorded and went Worldwide.
And Hitler is the Jew Killer.

The Owner of his Company is a Jew


Do some Maths

its not his fault it was recorded! Not like he was broadcasting hate to the world. Just a private incident between a few.

and Ive said I understand him being sacked already. Maths is my strong subject, thanks.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zippy;4147761[B

]its not his fault it was recorded![/B] Not like he was broadcasting hate to the world. Just a private incident between a few.

and Ive said I understand him being sacked already. Maths is my strong subject, thanks.

Sure its not his Fault its gone
Worldwide.

But things happen
and thats why he is gone forever.


He will be Lucky if someone
does Kill Him.

[hotleggs]

Originally Posted by karezza

Fashion genius, John Galliano, has been sacked by Dior for drunkenly saying he loves Adolf Hitler.

Should Dior have sacked this legend?

simple idiot

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

I LOVE HITLER TOO!!!!

Jokes. TBH, I didn't know who this guy was.

Meh, there are still plenty of racists out there echoing his thoughts but putting on a facade. Unfortunately for him he was drunk, and famous....bwhuahahahaha

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

yes but it was just a private drunken ramble when all is said and done. Since when do people take a drunk even seriously? Those women were even laughing which is what most people do when some drunk chats crap at them.

Its the fact that it was secretly filmed that has made it more powerful than it actually was. Otherwise it would have just been a private incident that a few people knew about.

I can understand him being sacked now the video is out there for all to see. Thats business and damage limitation. But his actual crime IMO doesn't deserve further prosecution. His global humiliation and job loss is more than enough for what was actually just a private drunken ramble that didnt seem to even offend the recipients judging by their laughter.

I don't know about you but if some drunk started saying crap like that to me I 'd probably laugh as well, but It would be a nervous laugh not because I actually would think he's being funny. And I'm going guess that that's what these women were also doing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Zippy

its not his fault it was recorded! Not like he was broadcasting hate to the world. Just a private incident between a few.

and Ive said I understand him being sacked already. Maths is my strong subject, thanks.

Eh, yeah it is, It's his fault because he is famous, and obviously acts like a tool when drunk, so he should have the common sense not to drink because the likelihood of someone filming him acting like a twat is pretty high when you're a famous person