[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Explain how I am not living up to it.

Banning gay marriage, and taking someone's life, doesnt seem the normal viewpoint of a believer in liberty and the freedom of the individual. What ever gave you the right to take the life of someone else, or tell them they're sexual practices are wrong and not deserving of marriage?

I suppose you're also against abortion?

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Banning gay marriage, and taking someone's life, doesnt seem the normal viewpoint of a believer in liberty and the freedom of the individual. What ever gave you the right to take the life of someone else, or tell them they're sexual practices are wrong and not deserving of marriage?

I was giving a list of things England could do to alter people's perception. It doesn't necessarily mean I whole-heartedly believe in them. To be honest I don't think England should really care what other people think of them. If we're gonna make this about what I believe then let me say that I don't think government should be involved in marriage one way or the other. It's a religious instrument and, in my ideal world, the state should stay out of it altogether. I generally am against the death penalty but would be hard-pressed to say that it should never be considered or on the table.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I was giving a list of things England could do to alter people's perception. It doesn't necessarily mean I whole-heartedly believe in them. To be honest I don't think England should really care what other people think of them. If we're gonna make this about what I believe then let me say that I don't think government should be involved in marriage one way or the other. It's a religious instrument and, in my ideal world, the state should stay out of it altogether. I generally am against the death penalty but would be hard-pressed to say that it should never be considered or on the table.

Ok fair enough then, I agree with most of that, ignore my edit on the other post

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I suppose you're also against abortion?

Absolutely I'm against abortion. Absolutely, 100%, against it. And holding that position does not contradict my username at all because the life and liberty of a baby is of greater importance than a few months of bodily freedom of a woman who got drunk and stupid one night. She can always adopt, ya know.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Absolutely I'm against abortion. Absolutely, 100%, against it. And holding that position does not contradict my username at all because the life and liberty of a baby is of greater importance than a few months of bodily freedom of a woman who got drunk and stupid one night. She can always adopt, ya know.

Hmm it's a difficult issue but I'm in the pro-choice camp. Due to the contentiousness of the issue I think it best not to have a certain view to be imposed one way or the other, and it should be left to the individual to make their own personal decision

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Hmm it's a difficult issue but I'm in the pro-choice camp. Due to the contentiousness of the issue I think it best not to have a certain view to be imposed one way or the other, and it should be left to the individual to make their own personal decision

I just started a thread on abortion, it's an interesting, if not sensitive, subject.