[cub]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You missed the point, when deciding who you're gonna date physical attraction plays a big part, hence why I compared it to other factors which might influence your perception of them. Of course, you can be attractive and be in a wheelchair, but if I was looking for a date it would be with someone I'd prefer it if they werent confined to a chair. I also mentioned having a deformity or being a midget because surely your "seeing beyond the wheelchair" applies to them as well. Would you date someone with a facial deformity? Surely it's about seeing beyond that, no?

Physical attraction is important but I don't think a deformity is comparable to being in a wheelchair. I think it's you that's missing the point. A facial deformity is not going to attract most people. But a wheelchair is just an aid to someone mobility.

Why compare midgets and facial deformities to wheelchair users? It's a different issue. A closer comparison would be would you go out with a blind person or a deaf person?

Imagine seeing someone really hot in a bar and then that person leaving the bar in a wheelchair. Or, as a comparison, leaving the bar with a white cane.

Look at this clip of the Golden Girls (from 3.30 to 6.10)

Youtube video

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by cub

Physical attraction is important but I don't think a deformity is comparable to being in a wheelchair. I think it's you that's missing the point. A facial deformity is not going to attract most people. But a wheelchair is just an aid to someone mobility.

Why compare midgets and facial deformities to wheelchair users? It's a different issue. A closer comparison would be would you go out with a blind person or a deaf person?

Imagine seeing someone really hot in a bar and then that person leaving the bar in a wheelchair. Or, as a comparison, leaving the bar with a white cane.

Look at this clip of the Golden Girls (from 3.30 to 6.10)

Youtube video

The principles the same, if you're going to criticise people and preach the principle of "it's the person, not the chair" then that has to apply all the time, you cant mitigate it & then suddenly ignore it because you think being a midget is more of a turn off than being in a chair. If you're going to apply that principle than at least be consistent, otherwise you're just showing double standards

I would consider myself pretty active, I play a fair bit of sport & enjoying going walks and stuff, it's not that unreasonable to prefer going out with someone who is capable of doing those things with you, having a wheelchair is a big burden. And I wouldnt go out with someone who is blind or deaf either, it would be too difficult.

[cub]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The principles the same, if you're going to criticise people and preach the principle of "it's the person, not the chair" then that has to apply all the time, you cant mitigate it & then suddenly ignore it because you think being a midget is more of a turn off than being in a chair. If you're going to apply that principle than at least be consistent, otherwise you're just showing double standards.

I am being consistant. You cannot compare a midget and a deformity with a person is a wheelchair. One size doesn't fit all in this case.

I probably wouldn't be sexually attracted to a midget or a deformed person because of basic aethetic reasons. But a person in a wheelchair is different. If they were sitting on a bar stool you wouldn't know the difference until they moved away from the bar - same with a blind person, hense the example of a clip.

Sorry, if the clip caused amusement. It was the only one I could think of. Although I was amused by the reaction.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by cub

I probably wouldn't be sexually attracted to a midget or a deformed person because of basic aethetic reasons. But a person in a wheelchair is different.

For you.

[cub]

Originally Posted by Stu

For you.

Why for me?

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by cub

I am being consistant. You cannot compare a midget and a deformity with a person is a wheelchair. One size doesn't fit all in this case.

I probably wouldn't be sexually attracted to a midget or a deformed person because of basic aethetic reasons. But a person in a wheelchair is different. If they were sitting on a bar stool you wouldn't know the difference until they moved away from the bar - same with a blind person, hense the example of a clip.

Sorry, if the clip caused amusement. It was the only one I could think of. Although I was amused by the reaction.

They're all physical things though, which might mitigate against someone's desirability. So are you now saying that it's not all "about the person" as you were saying earlier? Seems it. And like Stu pointed out, attractiveness is all subjective in any case.

A wheelchair is a big hindrance, more so than you seem to want to admit. Why didnt you quote the second part of my post? A lot of things I'd like to do with someone I'm going out with I couldnt do with a girl in a wheelchair and consequently.. I'd rather not date one. It's as simple as that really and I dont know why you're getting so sanctimonious about it.

[cub]

Originally Posted by MTVN

They're all physical things though, which might mitigate against someone's desirability. So are you now saying that it's not all "about the person" as you were saying earlier? Seems it. And like Stu pointed out, attractiveness is all subjective in any case.

A wheelchair is a big hindrance, more so than you seem to want to admit. Why didnt you quote the second part of my post? A lot of things I'd like to do with someone I'm going out with I couldnt do with a girl in a wheelchair and consequently.. I'd rather not date one. It's as simple as that really and I dont know why you're getting so sanctimonious about it.

Of course a wheelchair is a hindrance. For the user and the person with the user. Sadly the user can't walk away or have a break.

I probably didn't quote the second part of your post because I didn't disagree with it, whatever it was.

I'm saying you have to see beyond the wheelchair. An attractive person is an attractive person, wheelchair or not. It's quite different from a deformation, which is why I won't compare them. You may want to because it strengthens your argument. I've mention 'the person on the bar stool' three times now and no one has challenged it.

You're suggesting a person is unattractive in a wheelchair?

Why am I getting sanctimoniuos? I'm exercising a point of view, that's all.

I'm not saying you should date a wheelchair-user. I'm only discussing why one wouldn't. It's a topic that interests me.

Why be so offended by my opinion? I didn't start the thread.