[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Nothing about that tells you I have some irrational fear of homosexuals.



If I was still 15 years old I would right suppose nearly every homosexual would come onto me.
But I'm older now and yes I am well aware that while homosexuals, in general, have an extremely high rate of 'multiple partners' - I know it depends on what fetish they are into.
'Daddies' or 'Twinks' or whatever specific role-playing fetish they are perved into.

Oh listen to yourself will you? How dare you stereotype every homosexual man into the same category? Yes in the past I have had many sexual partners but it's called being young and what a lot of heterosexual men also do. As for the perversions, not all of us are into 'sick and twisted' things as you seem to think. You also forget that heterosexual people are just as prone to different and unusual fetishes.

I wish you would give the absolute repulsion towards homosexuality a rest. Fair enough you do not like it, but do you have to be so goddamn offensive about it?

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Oh listen to yourself will you? How dare you stereotype every homosexual man into the same category?

You know (and not only because I wrote the word) but you know we were discussing homosexuals in general.

Follow me and we will see you do that same thing...

Yes in the past I have had many sexual partners but it's called being young and what a lot of heterosexual men also do.

Right but we were having a discussion about the overall general rules. I'm sure some women have had 7 different men in the last 6 months however that is an exception.
It would be a 'rule' if you were getting an average on homosexuals.

One recent study is mind boggling in that the subjects are defined as YOUNG gays:

A 1997 study of young gay and bisexual men found that 91 percent reported an average of 43 male sexual partners in their lifetime

That is a mind-boggling statistic and it might suggest that 'people who happen to love each other' is unlikely (or love at first sight happens a lot with gays?)

As for the perversions, not all of us are into 'sick and twisted' things as you seem to think.

Sure but here again if a general observation is made you think its easily 'canceled out' by simply pointing at the exceptions.

In this case I agree with a poster that not all gay men are attracted to any other man.
But there is not a 'parallel' to regular couples either. Generally, there is just attractiveness with them. 'Fitness'.
However,
The homosexual people seem to have some very distinct categories based on 'role-playing' presentations and maybe a lot less on attractive features or even fitness.
A 'Daddy' type would NOT be attracted to me because his sexual infatuation will be with finding 'Twinks' or vice-versa etc.

but having said that - a caretaker at a certain public park once suggested there is very very little discrimination among gays and yes actually they will have sex with nearly any other man.
He based this on the dynamic activity taking place in his public toilets at night and includes a hole crudely chiseled into the wood dividers, the used condoms, blood, feces and needles he gets to clean up on monday morning.

You also forget that heterosexual people are just as prone to different and unusual fetishes.

This wouldn't 'cancel out' what you seem to be admitting here.

I wish you would give the absolute repulsion towards homosexuality a rest. Fair enough you do not like it, but do you have to be so goddamn offensive about it?

It doesn't repulse me. I think my description (and a homosexual could easily write the same things) but i think my description repulsed you based on something inherent to you.
After all, if this is completely normal, moral and loving then you shouldn't be so afraid of this?

Truth is - I don't really care that much about homosexuals themselves. They are a very small portion of the population,
but,
yes I do get very easily annoyed with 'bull****' and ignorance and people playing censor society games and especially demanding others play along.
Look:
Its not a mystery. For thousands of years around the planet homosexuality is considered a bizarre sex perversion,
or,
at best often something very strange and unpleasant.
Ok.
Now in this one aberrant time of wealth and freedom its being slightly tolerate by a minority of people.
OKay.
Fair enough.
But KNOCK IT OFF trying to pretend like we are all so stupid we put a tongue in the cheek and a 'who me?' smirk and demand to pretend its so obviously no different or remarkable,
or,
pretend that its not still true that a HUGE portion of our society doesn't still think its a grotesque sex perversion or at least strange and uncomfortable.

Its the 'playing games' crap that really annoys me. In a real sense the actual homosexual issue is neither here nor there.
I'd be annoyed if we were pretending everyone knows bestiality is 'perfectly accepted' or drinking turpentine or wearing melons as hats.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

...

I'm disappointed in you ElProximo, I'm not sure weather you're winding people up on purpose.

You seem to be intelligent, but the words you choose are very hurtful. I think a HUGE portion of our society would find a lot of your comments grotesque.

Also homosexuality is part of normal life. There is nothing wrong or immoral about it.

Live and let live.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I'm disappointed in you ElProximo, I'm not sure weather you're winding people up on purpose.

You seem to be intelligent, but the words you choose are very hurtful. I think a HUGE portion of our society would find a lot of your comments grotesque.

Also homosexuality is part of normal life. There is nothing wrong or immoral about it.

Live and let live.

A totally appropriate post GypsyGoth,very reasoned, as you say live and let live.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

You seem to be intelligent, but the words you choose are very hurtful. I think a HUGE portion of our society would find a lot of your comments grotesque.

Right and a lot of people find your opinion (seen below) disgusting and offensive to their senses.
They find your kind of opinion 'hurtful' to society.

But that is something of my point here and notice how I am aware a % of people do actually hold your opinion?
You don't see me responding completely BAFFLED and saying "HUH WHAT?? HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS CORRECT ONLY SO YOU ARE DISMISSED!

Also homosexuality is part of normal life.

No of course not. Almost nobody will ever indulge in homosexual sex. Maybe 3% of the population might make that a 'normal' part of their life.
Most will never have sex of any kind with anyone of their same gender.

There is nothing wrong or immoral about it.

Says who? You?
By what standard?

Live and let live.

Okay then you should not have hurt my feelings and disagreed with me. You see.. if you would just let us alone?
Yet you are the one attacking me and my people and making insults and why not just let us live?

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Right and a lot of people find your opinion (seen below) disgusting and offensive to their senses.
They find your kind of opinion 'hurtful' to society.

But that is something of my point here and notice how I am aware a % of people do actually hold your opinion?
You don't see me responding completely BAFFLED and saying "HUH WHAT?? HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS CORRECT ONLY SO YOU ARE DISMISSED!



No of course not. Almost nobody will ever indulge in homosexual sex. Maybe 3% of the population might make that a 'normal' part of their life.
Most will never have sex of any kind with anyone of their same gender.



Says who? You?
By what standard?


Okay then you should not have hurt my feelings and disagreed with me. You see.. if you would just let us alone?
Yet you are the one attacking me and my people and making insults and why not just let us live?

Because we don't go out of our way to show our hate, whereas you do.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No of course not. Almost nobody will ever indulge in homosexual sex. Maybe 3% of the population might make that a 'normal' part of their life. Most will never have sex of any kind with anyone of their same gender.

LOL. You are so naive. you need to get out more.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

LOL. You are so naive. you need to get out more.

I get out plenty. For a few years I lived in a part of a city especially known for its high concentration of homosexual men. Not only this. I might be one of the few straight dudes who has been welcomed into their 'inner circles' now and then.
In fact, it was once my job to find out just how many homosexuals there were in town. So my boss could market to them. (or try and find out how).
At that time we were (quite serious now) actually inventing ways to identify just how many homosexuals there were.
At that time there had not yet been any good studies and surveys.
We came up with a few simple ideas (and also some complicated ones) but it actually came to:
- subscription rates for homosexual magazines.
- number of homosexual nightclubs.
- stores selling gay gear, costumes, porn etc.
- police stats on things like prostitution, sex in public charges etc.
Keep in mind, we were aware of reasons why some of these stats these might not tell us everything.
for example - number of homosexual profiles on a dating site could be higher for the very reason there are less of them and therefore needing to use and post more adverts seeking each other.
or,
we might be looking at the same '10 gay escorts' racking up repeat offenses but less so repeating names in the 'heterosexual escort' stats.

Anyways,
We were not exactly social scientists but simply trying to find out some close guesstimate so the boss could aim sales. Really just find out if it was even worth it.
We guesstimated around 1% of the population could be identified as actively 'openly' lifestyle gay.
We guesstimated it might be double that number of what we described as the so-called in-the-closet private affair types.

We didn't count people who may had some 'experiment back in Uni' they long since dismissed or people who touched wieners with a kid back in adventure camp weekend.
OK.
One of the best and most thorough scientific studies on the subject did come out just after we spend 100 hours heh.
And guess what it estimated?
1 to 3 percent.
In fact, we were pretty much bang-on even in the rough categories we imagined.
The studies put it somewhere at around 1% openly, actively dedicated ongoing homosexuals.
The other 2%?
This included that 'closeted' kind of group who you can say are continuous to some degree even if secretly to anyone who considered (by their own standard) a 'homosexual experience' even if this was simply 'seeing a homosexual movie' or 'touched penis' with a kid in school etc.

So if you want me to educate you on the subject or tell you more about various social and cultural difference around the world,
or,
share a lot of information i have directly from active 'out' homosexuals?
Feel free to ask.
I will be happy to help you learn more about it.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

Nothing about that tells you I have some irrational fear of homosexuals.



If I was still 15 years old I would right suppose nearly every homosexual would come onto me.
But I'm older now and yes I am well aware that while homosexuals, in general, have an extremely high rate of 'multiple partners' - I know it depends on what fetish they are into.
'Daddies' or 'Twinks' or whatever specific role-playing fetish they are perved into.

Oi. Pack it in. How dare you stereotype every bloody homosexual in the world. Just listen to yourself. Are you suggesting that homosexuals are the only people in the world who have multiple partners? Or have heterosexual couples not had multiple partners? I'm not gay, but I cannot believe the stupidity of some on here. Are you telling me that straight couples don't cheat on their spouse? That's where the major stories about spouses cheating on each other come from.

Here are a few statistics, just for you:

http://www.catalogs.com/info/relatio...n-each-ot.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidel...elity_research

and a dozen other asking why people cheat on each other.

Don't say, "I never said they cheat - I said they cheat more." More than half of married couples cheat on each other. The reason why the mark is only at 55% is because most people don't like to admit their infidelity (we're talking straight couples, here).

That is approximately the percentage of men who cheat on women, vice versa. Sounds like you're just trolling now.

It's very clear you're one of those perverted homophobes. Game's over, soz. :/

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Redway

Just listen to yourself. Are you suggesting that homosexuals are the only people in the world who have multiple partners? Or have heterosexual couples not had multiple partners?

No. You said that. You made this 'get it straight' sounding post like you were tired of fooling around. You came on with this 'get to reality check' tone.
But what did you do?
You then pretended I had made a post somehow saying that only homosexuals had multiple-partners.
I said NOTHING like that.

So why are you using a 'drop the BS' tone and then go for that kind of sneaky manipulation, false attribute, subject-changing gaming?

What I did was tell you there are serious studies showing an astonishing promiscuity among homosexuals.
This is not my 'opinion'. this is studies like this:

Prior to the AIDS epidemic, a 1978 study found that 75 percent of white, gay males claimed to have had more than 100 lifetime male sex partners: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500- 999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. Levels of promiscuity subsequently declined, but some observers are concerned that promiscuity is again approaching the levels of the 1970s.

Interestingly:

an Australian study found that 93 percent of lesbians reported having had sex with men, and lesbians were 4.5 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had more than 50 lifetime male sex partners

Did you notice neither of these studies were trying to tell you 'Heterosexuals NEVER have ANY promiscuity'?
Did you notice that there is no logical implication of this?
Since you are making 'Drop the Nonsense' posts I want you to see this clearly.

Now this does militate against the idea that gays are simply a 'parallel' to heterosexuals (in the sense of long-term relationships such as marriage).

Again, since you are interested in 'get off the BS' straight-talking facts here is an interesting study:

The 2003-2004 Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census surveyed the lifestyles of 7,862 homosexuals. Of those involved in a "current relationship," only 15 percent describe their current relationship as having lasted twelve years or longer, with five percent lasting more than twenty years.[4] While this "snapshot in time" is not an absolute predictor of the length of homosexual relationships, it does indicate that few homosexual relationships achieve the longevity common in marriages.

· The Dutch study of partnered homosexuals, which was published in the journal AIDS, found that men with a steady partner had an average of eight sexual partners per year

· In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison reported that, in a study of 156 males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years:

Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships

So these are studies that would suggest 'gay marriage' is not some kind of 'parallel' (in meaning, in monogamy, in numbers of 'affairs, in lenght of terms etc).
So what?
Why do you say this is an 'irrational fear' of homosexuals to report these studies?
Since you need to make 'clear the air' and 'get to the reality' point I would like you to lay down step-by-step hard logic showing how this is 'homophobic' (whatever that means)?

Feel free to lay down the harsh reality anytime. Try to do this while addressing the actual topic and not 'what other people do'.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

No. You said that. You made this 'get it straight' sounding post like you were tired of fooling around. You came on with this 'get to reality check' tone.
But what did you do?
You then pretended I had made a post somehow saying that only homosexuals had multiple-partners.
I said NOTHING like that.

So why are you using a 'drop the BS' tone and then go for that kind of sneaky manipulation, false attribute, subject-changing gaming?

What I did was tell you there are serious studies showing an astonishing promiscuity among homosexuals.
This is not my 'opinion'. this is studies like this:



Interestingly:


Did you notice neither of these studies were trying to tell you 'Heterosexuals NEVER have ANY promiscuity'?
Did you notice that there is no logical implication of this?
Since you are making 'Drop the Nonsense' posts I want you to see this clearly.

Now this does militate against the idea that gays are simply a 'parallel' to heterosexuals (in the sense of long-term relationships such as marriage).

Again, since you are interested in 'get off the BS' straight-talking facts here is an interesting study:







So these are studies that would suggest 'gay marriage' is not some kind of 'parallel' (in meaning, in monogamy, in numbers of 'affairs, in lenght of terms etc).
So what?
Why do you say this is an 'irrational fear' of homosexuals to report these studies?
Since you need to make 'clear the air' and 'get to the reality' point I would like you to lay down step-by-step hard logic showing how this is 'homophobic' (whatever that means)?

Feel free to lay down the harsh reality anytime. Try to do this while addressing the actual topic and not 'what other people do'.

Why are you picking out homosexual partners, though? I gave you a list of statistics about straight couples.

[ElProximo]

Originally Posted by Redway

Why are you picking out homosexual partners, though?

Topic: Should gay marriage be taught in school to children?

I gave you a list of statistics about straight couples.

Yes, this was discussed at length. Both were relevant to topic and discussion and comparison may illuminate both.

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by ukturtle

Oh listen to yourself will you? How dare you stereotype every homosexual man into the same category? Yes in the past I have had many sexual partners but it's called being young and what a lot of heterosexual men also do. As for the perversions, not all of us are into 'sick and twisted' things as you seem to think. You also forget that heterosexual people are just as prone to different and unusual fetishes.

I wish you would give the absolute repulsion towards homosexuality a rest. Fair enough you do not like it, but do you have to be so goddamn offensive about it?

And many people continue to cheat on each other when they're not young.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Redway

And many people continue to cheat on each other when they're not young.

You're right, I was watching a programme last night and statistically people of the age group 44-56 are more likely to cheat on their partners than 16-24. I was quite surprised by that!

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You're right, I was watching a programme last night and statistically people of the age group 44-56 are more likely to cheat on their partners than 16-24. I was quite surprised by that!

I'm not surprised as I know so many people in that age group whose kids have left home and they suddenly have no focus in they're lives and realise they have grown apart and have nothing much in common - then when someone else comes along and shows an interest and they feel 'wanted' again...................It is so important to place just as much importance on your relationship as being a parent, so you can enjoy your time without your children, rather than just grow apart

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by rhino

I'm not surprised as I know so many people in that age group whose kids have left home and they suddenly have no focus in they're lives and realise they have grown apart and have nothing much in common - then when someone else comes along and shows an interest and they feel 'wanted' again...................It is so important to place just as much importance on your relationship as being a parent, so you can enjoy your time without your children, rather than just grow apart

Yeah, when I actually thought about it, it made sense. I know alot of people in that age group who've separated in recent years (including my parents) and alot had to do with affairs. I agree with what you're saying about marriage too, I'm very aware of that fact and hope I stay that way